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HomeMy WebLinkAbout12/02/1997 Study Session MinutesPLACE AND DATE Marana Town Hall, December 2, '1997 CALL TO ORDER By Mayor Ora Harn at 5:15 P.M. II. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE Led by Mayor Ora Harn ROLL CALL Ora Ham Bobby Sutton, Jr. Ed Honea Herb Kal Sherry Millner Michael Reuwsaat Roxanne Ziegler Mayor Vice Mayor Council Member Council Member Council Member Council Member, excused Council Member STAFF Michael Hein Dan Hochuli Jocelyn Entz Sandy Gmseclose Jane Johnson Roy Cuamn Dave Atler Dave Smith Joel Svoboda Floyd Foster Jerry Flannery Brad DeSpain Assistant Town Manager Town Attorney Exec. Asst. to Town Manager Town Clerk Human Resources Director Finance Director Public Works Director Chief of Police Chief Building Official Water Operations Manager Planning Director Utilities Director iV. APPROVAL OF AGENDA A motion was made by Vice Mayor Sutton, seconded by Herb Kal, to approve the agenda as presented. The motion was carried 6/0. V. ORDER OF BUSINESS Municipal Facility_ Location - Update/Discussion Mayor Harn: I want this to be orderly, yet open because it is a study session. It is for everyone's information and I want to be very open so we can talk and discuss. That way, we can review the process. I will let Mr. Atler lead off on this subject. Dave Atler: Councilman Honea called me this morning with some questions on the packet and made some changes that I will describe. The packet you received is a compilation of all the work the FPC has done over the last year or so. Something that wasn't in the packet, but that you received in May, is the Facilities Siting report. All of the information you received was an extension of the Facilities Siting report. ] DECEMBER 2, 1997 The David Adams and Associates Feasibility study you received referenced by area. The sites called the Gin property and the Hum property are within the Lon Adams/Barnett circle. The sites identified as Tangerine Road West 1 and West 2 are within the Tangerine Road West circle. The changes I made to the table identify site A as Lon Adams/Barnett #1, the old cotton gin is identified as Lon Adams/Barnett #2 and the Hum property is identified as Lon Adams/Barnett #3. This is to be consistent with the Facilities Siting report. Everything is now identified by the area. Lon Adams/Barnett #1, map index A, is the site for Rancho Marana. This is the large report submitted by Greg Wexler. It's the property adjacent to the west, and north of the present Town Hall. Lon Adams/Bamett #2, map index B, is the old cotton gin. It is up off of Sandario and the Frontage Road. Lon Adams/Barnett #3, map index C, is the Hum property. It is bordered by Grier on the south and by McDuff on the east. The properties that show as FPC properties were identified and directed by the Council to be investigated further by the FPC. Lon Adams/Barnett #2 (the old cotton gin), Lon Adams/Barnett #3 (FPC Hum property), Tangerine Road #1 and #2 are all properties the Council asked us to investigate and that is what generated the David Adams and Associates Feasibility study. That is the only connection. That direction came to us this past summer. Tangerine Road #1, map index D, is located with Tangerine Road on the north and adjacent to, what we can all identify as, the old chicken farm. Tangerine Road #2, which Council asked to put in the feasibility study, is northwest of the Breakers. Tangerine Road #3, proposed by the Hyatt properties, adjacent to the realignment of the road. Tangerine Road #4, proposed by the Kal's, on the south side, and just west of Tangerine #2. Twin Peaks/Coachline #1, map index H, was one of three properties proposed by Coventry. The three properties proposed by Coventry were on each of the three available corners at Twin Peaks and Coachline. Tangerine Road #5, proposed by the Cotlow group, is located to the east of Tortolita, or Red Hawk Boulevard, on the south side of Tangerine Road. Tangerine #6, proposed by Cummings, is in the Tangerine Central area. Twin Peaks/Coachline #2 is on Silverbell Road and was proposed by Lyons Rome. To clarify, what we did was look at 20 acre parcels only, to prevent confusion on the cost of the acreage. The costs per acre we either generated by the proposers or given to us by the broker when we were looking at properties this last summer. The cost estimates shown are for comparative purposes only. They are very preliminary, based on cursory planning level efforts. Until you select a property and we start getting into design, it is very difficult to pin down a true cost. We do think these are fairly representative when comparing one site to another. Mayor Harn: Are all the prices on the properties firm, Mr. Atler? Dave Atler: No, as I understand it, they are not. I can't speak to all the properties because I have not spoke to all of the property owners. What I can say is, it is my understanding that some of them are negotiable. These are the Terramar proposal and, maybe, the Hum property. They need more direction from the Council before they start getting to that point. We looked at 11 properties and negotiating for properties was not our charge. Mayor Harn: It is now open to the Council. Sherry Millner: Has everyone on the Council had a tour of these properties yet? 2 Dave Atler: No. We were setting up tours for the short list and I believe Councilman Kal, Councilman Honea and Councilman Reuwsaat have not had the tour. The Mayor toured the shod listed sites. Sherry Millner: We Said, at the last meeting, that everyone would have a tour before we did this, and they still have not. Mayor Harn: I toured the sites on my own. Ed Honea: I am familiar with all of the sites as well. Dave After: More specifically, I have not gone out with these Council members. Mayor Harn: Are there people here that want to make presentations to the Council? Dave After: After the meeting two weeks ago, when the item was continued, there was a question about the short list. I notified the short listed preperties to tell them that the presentations were not going to be done tonight, after all. Terramar Preperties is represented tonight. Miss Shametsky, her property was involved in the Cotlow preposal, is here also. Mayor Harn: It would not be fair, if everyone else was told that no presentations would be given, to hear just one greup's presentation. Does Council want to discuss this, one way or anothe~ Mike Hein: I would suggest, since this is a study session, that you take the opportunity to ask questions about how the committee worked and arranged specific sites. Get some clarification on how the committee appreached the site evaluations. Mayor Harn: Then, I think we should start with the two Council members who sat on the committee. First, I will ask Sherry Millner to, please, talk about how the committee worked and make any comments she feels appropriate. Vice Mayor Sutton: Dave Atler was the Chairman of the committee and maybe he should start. Mayor Harn: I would rather hear from the Council members and find out where they stand. Sherry Millner: Along with staff members, we attended meetings and we took into account all of these prepedies. We did not just Jook at price or infrastructure, we looked at everything. We looked at our general plan and the image the Town is trying to project. Some sites were just not feasible, and we shorted the list that way. We toured the remaining sites. We actually got out of the vehicles and envisioned what it would look like, from that point, twenty years from now. That is how we arrived at our shod list. Vice Mayor Sutton: I will ditto what Councilwoman Millner said. I will try to get some detail, but it is difficult to summarize the amount of work the committee put into 3 this. The criteda we used was mostly educated guess work, but we looked at every aspect. We dealt with the cost per acre, ingress and egress, location, distance from 1-10, distance from the community and centralizing the community. The rankings we did to produce the short list was, cut and dry, what the committee perceived to be the best properties to present to the Council. Ed Honea: I would like Mr. Atler to go threugh the short list of three sites and give a brief oral description of each site. What are some of the pres and cons that the committee sees for each of these sites? There are some things you just can't read into. Dave Atler: I will try to recall as much as possible. If anyone from the committee, who is here tonight, wants to jump in and help, please do. Mayor Harn: We do want to hear everything we can. We do not want to be so formal that we keep people from talking. If Councilwoman Millner or Vice Mayor Sutton recall something and want to add it to the discussion, please jump in. Dave Atler: The committee's understanding from Council's direction, going back more that a year and a half, was to identify a piece of preperty for the ultimate location of the City Hall. The population is projected to be 200,000 - 300,000. We were looking at it from a number of aspects to be feasible for the future Town of Marena. Those were all things covered in the report from May. Some things that were considered, in addition to the cost, were distance from 1-10, drainage situations, infrastructure, etc. The ease of serviceability to our clientele is important to the future of Marana. That is what we understood the Council's direction to be. We used certain criteria to identify the five areas and then identified the matrix in section four of the report to rete these areas. From there, we generated some of the more recent work, which is hard to summarize at this point. There were 68 hours spent in these meetings. We toured the proposed properties, which consisted of the eight proposals that came in and three properties preposed by the Council. We looked at them in depth. We short listed the properties to five by looking at the criteria mentioned eadier for each property. Then we voted on those five properties. The reason for cutting some properties was based on the committee's perception that the Council did not wish a municipal facility to be located in a residential area, for example. The Terramar proposal, which we thought was very generous, was very difficult to turn down, but the CAP was on the property and we saw some difficulties connected with that. Understanding that we could have gotten an adjacent property and put the municipal complex on that and then put a park on the 20 acres over the CAP easement, we were trying to look at 20 acres as a base so we had to look at it in that context. We had to take the drainage issue, the grade separation, the proximity to the railroad, etc. into consideretion. A con for the Rancho Marana property is the Frentage Road is going to be a one-way road in the future and so there will not be access from there. Lon Adams could be extended down to Tangerine Road but that has a cost attached to it. A pro for the Rancho Marana property is the Town Hall is already here so it is easy to envision a municipal complex being here. Another con to this area is the residential nature, not just the existing residential but high and medium density residential specific plans just outside of a relatively thin core of commercial around our municipal complex. The two Tangerine Road properties we considered were sites the Council asked us to 4 consider. Tangerine Road #1 is represented by Terramar and provides good access from the freeway today and in the future. The crossroads down the southeastern quadrant to the northwest quadrant of the Town also provides good access. The drainage is going to be a problem, it is a problem with all of the properties except the ones in Continental Ranch and the Cotlow proposal. There were votes in favor of the image it would present, the access and a number of other things. Both Tangerine Road properties were a push on all accounts. Tangerine Road #2, map index E, was not considered to have as good an access as the other, but it has an on-site well. Roxanne Ziegler: In the report by David Evans and Associates, the flooding in the Lon Adams area is mitigated by protection that should be going in next year. Over on the other two sites, in this report, "...this piedmont area has characteristic flooding problems with wide flood plains and severe sedimentation and erosion problems." I think that is on both sites, how would we mitigate that? Dave After: That was kind of a hard core approach in the engineering direction. The committee has talked about a number of approaches with out any detail because we don't know which site we would be looking at. For example, we would look at getting 40 acres and build a small sub-regional park. We talked about using the park to provide a small detention/retention base to collect the flow. We would use various grading techniques on the property to divert the water. If you are on the north side of Tangerine Road, in my opinion, it is easier to handle the drainage than if you are on the south side. This is because the water is coming down in sheet flow, meaning it is wide and shallow, making it difficult to collect and distribute. Once it is collected and distributed, you have to get rid of it in a like manner, without affecting downstream properties. If you are on the south side of the road, the water is coming across Tangerine Road, so you will collect the flow in your front door. It can be done. Vice Mayor Sutton: We thought about that for that property, with the 20 acres making a park and a parking lot. What kind of nixed it was the talk about the grade separation and the ramp coming from 1-10 and then the Town Hall being way down below it and hard to get to. Ed Honea: That was one of your three choices, though? Dave Atler: No. The three short listed properties were A, D and E. Jocelyn Entz: I think one of the other things the committee was looking at as a pro for the Tangerine Road sites, was it is light commercial and there is no chance of having residential come in there. Jerry Flannery: Actually, it is zone E, which is Transportation Corridor Zone in our Town Code. It is an old zone that allows industrial and commercial, but prohibits residential. One of the things we looked at specifically in this area was the accessibility to population centers in the general plan. Combine that with the Master Transportation Plan, where roads running parallel to 1-10 and into Tangerine Road to make it even more accessible to development proposed on the east side of 1-10. Roxanne Ziegler: Would we have to acquire any of the land in the Tangerine Road #1 and #2 areas, or is it already ours? Jerry Flannery: No. It is all within Marana and it is held privately. Dave After: The State was given an opportunity to make a proposal, they did not. Mayor Harn: Mr. DeSpain, one of the things I was concerned about when I read about these properties was the accessibility of water and the cost to bring the water down Thornydale Road. Brad DeSpain: Water is very scarce in the Tangerine Road area. There has been lots of money spent trying to locate water on the north side of Tangerine Road up to the Breakers area. A lot of money has been spent drilling holes in that area, with lots of dry holes. The poultry ranch has a well on it, which was not adequate when it was a poultry ranch. Tangerine #2 has a small well but we do not know much about it. I presume it is also a small well, pumping 50 gallons per minute, or less. Dave Atler: Actually, it pumps 100 gallons per minute. Herb Kal: How much water will we need for the municipal complex? Brad DeSpain: I have not figured that out, nobody asked us for that information. Dave might know, from an engineering standpoint, the number of gallons averaged per person. Basically, for residential, it will need to allow 123-127 gallons per person per day. Roxanne Ziegler: Is it correct, on site #1, that we are going to pay over $500,000.00 to get water there? This is on page 20 of the Feasibility Study. Dave Atler: The estimate here is based on going over to Red Hawk Boulevard and tying into Tucson Water, so yes, it is correct. Roxanne Ziegler: The other property is just a little less than that. Dave Atler: That is if you can't develop it on site. We only looked at two options. We did not look at other options, like how the Breakers have handled their situation. We could not find any information on the chicken farm well, it wasn't in the register. The other option was to tie into other soumes. Brad DeSpain: Most of the properties we looked at involved line extensions from Tucson Water, unless we could find a property with a well on it. Mayor Harn: Mr. DeSpain, I would think that if we decided to bring a line down from Dove Mountain, we could get some in-kind sponsorship from some of the property owners around there that would like to have that line brought down as well. Brad DeSpain: My recommendation would be to obtain the well on the property just east of La Mirage instead of utilizing Tucson Water. Either way you go, it is going to be considerably expensive. In my opinion, anything on that side of the freeway is going to be a lot more expensive than anything on the west side. Mayor Harn: Water is an issue, with me, but I think one of the biggest problems I saw while looking at these is the sewer. It talks about going up to Dove Mountain with the sewer, which would involve putting in a pump station, it would be very difficult. Dave After: The committee was trying to look at "apples and apples." They were tying everything on that side to a point of connection. With the sewer, we were looking at something more cost effective, like doing it on site. The committee discussed, for all utilities and the sewer, if there would be'economic incentive to build these off site facilities. If you do a water line off site and you provide connection points, there are ways to off set that cost over a pedod of time. The Town could try to form an improvement distdct that would pay the water line off on a per foot of frontage basis. Because there are so many different options, we were looking at putting the facilities in existing right-of-way, rather than saying it is a possibility and not knowing how much it would cost. The sewer can be done on site as a septic system, but that is short term and it doesn't provide economic incentives to surrounding properties that can't tie into it. Same with the water, although with a well, the Water Department could allow surrounding properties to tie into our system. Roxanne Ziegler: I am going to move on to Lon Adams/Barnett. Water is $13,000 compared to half a million on the other side of the road. Sewer is $194,000 compared to $500,000-$650,000 on the other side of the read. Tell me what the down side of Lon Adams/Barnett is because I am seeing the numbers as being incredibly Iow here because of the existing infrastructure and I would like to know what the disadvantages are. Dave After: First, let me clarify, this is one of the questions that Councilman Honea had, as well. (He pointed out, again the Lon Adams/Barnett area) Roxanne Ziegler: So, you are saying that when I refer to Lon Adams/Barnett you picture that whole area, to include the old cotton gin and the Hum property? Because, I am only referring to here. Dave Atler: Again, I looked at it for transportation, drainage, and some planning; Jerry looked at it for planning; and Brad looked at it for water. That was the beauty of the committee, there was a diverse background. We were trying to look at the big picture, none of us looked at just one aspect, such as cost. My recollection of the meetings over the last couple of months, is we were focusing more on customer service, locations which were integrated, not so much cost. Roxanne Ziegler: I need to be convinced of which one to pick, my mind is wide open. I don't want your personal opinion, I want to know what you think about the pros and cons of each location. Dave After: I don't know that I can answer that question. I am here to represent the committee and the committee did not pick this property as the top choice, however, it was one of the three on the short list. The fact that we did not need as much MARANA TO~VN COUNCIL DECEMBER 2, 1997 property because it was dght across the street from the park was one of the reasons, Ed Honea: Bred, I want to talk about water, Tangerine and slow sand. That is what we went down to look at. I am trying to look at it from a monetary aspect. We could take CAP water, our 45 acre fee, and use this slow sand nano filter system to clean it better than our greund water, and cheaper than we could drill a well. That CAP runs almost right threugh one of those projects on Tangerine. I am trying to figure out what the feasibility is, an estimated guess, of how much cost there would be to taking that CAP water, treating it and using it for our Town Complex. Brad DeSpain: I can't give you a figure, but I can give youan educated guess. I think it is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 cents per thousand gallons. Ed Honea: What I am looking for, Bred, is feasibility. I think this could be a pretty good way to go. Some of us went down and actually tasted the water and it tasted just like bottled water. If this system works the way it says it will, it maybe a pretty economical way to get water to all of the properties on Tangerine. Even if we don't take one, in the future for commercial development, etc. Brad DeSpain: I think it is going to be about 60 cents per thousand gallons. He said there may be reyalties, but he said he may waive the first five yeare of reyalties. Ed Honea: How about to build a plant? Brad DeSpain: I don't have those numbers, we can get them for you. As I understand it, that 60 cents covers building the plant and treating the water. We can research those if you want. The other alternative I failed to mention is, if the purchase of Tortolita Wells Coop goes through and Council appreves it, that is two wells that we would have in that area to bring down, if we chose. As soon as Mr. Foster and Mr. Miller get the inner ties done with the Cortaro and Honea Systems, we will have about 140,000 gallons of storage for fire pretection. It would be available for any sites within the Marena area. There are some small mains that would have to be changed. That is one advantage to this location, the infrastructure is here. Vice Mayor Sutton: I think we are to the point that the committee was trying to get everything ready for. The Council will have to make the decisions about things like cost, etc. We did not want to put that on the committee. We made it clear at the very beginning that we were not going to cress off a property just for cost, that is a decision the Council has to make. The concern was that the Council didn't like the short list and so we were going to study session to see why that short list was the way it was and see if we were going to change it. I think we have an agenda item tonight to figure out what goes on from there. We are not going to pick a spot tonight, we just want to hear the presentations. I think the committee's job has been completed, even though the shod list was not excepted. Brad DeSpain: The treatment facility that Mr. Honea was talking about, that could cover the needs of the Town Complex without any problem and we could do a park 8 MARANA TOWN COUNCIL DECEMBER 2, 1997 landscape real easily and we would not have to treat the water we used for the park. In fact, we could blend the spill water from the treatment process with the CAP water to do the landscaping for the Town Hall Complex. Herb Kal: It occurs to me that we may need to do further investigation on the water situation for map index D and E, the two Tangerine Road properties. I think the short list (A, D, and E) is a very good starting point and the next step is determining cost. We need to research this further, unless you feel faidy comfortable with the figures you gave us, Dave. Dave After: I think, again, we were looking at numbers that would give a base line to compare "apples and apples". These are the best we can do on cost, today, at the level we are at. We are assuming that when we move in we will have to provide water for 300 people per day. We also need to look at, although it has not been recommended by the committee, the process and how much space we will need at build out. We can take a shot in the dark at how many employees we may have in the whole Town, but they won't all be on site. For example, bus drivers, police substation employees, etc. We can't say how much it is going to cost to build sewer and water facilities, we can only say this is about how much it is going to cost based on what we know today. What we could do, on the water side, based on what we have heard tonight, is determine how much we need to provide water for this sort of use. We can do that based on when we move in. What we need for this sort of application, is if it is just for consumption or for irrigation, too. There are some things we can pin down a little easier with the water than for the sewer. Mayor Harn: Where are we at the present time with this Dorkin's 208 permit? Dave After: We are doing the study for the County, actually. The County is spearheading the Marana Wastewater master plan. That is not supposed to be done until next year. Mayor Harn: If Dorkin comes through with the 208 permit in the facility, which he is pledged to do if everything goes according to the County's schedule, I would like you to look into whether that is a feasible hook up for storage if it was on the north side of Tangerine. Dave Atler: Where we are right now, is the final report is going to be made up of task reports. The completion of that study is not due until May or June of next year. Hopefully, in the next three or four months, we will have an idea on the viability of Dorkin's property for a treatment facility. I know the study is several months away from completion. When it is done, it is going to determine whether or not the property is sufficient for a treatment facility. They look at it from a number of aspects, drainage and sewer basins are a couple of those aspects. Mr. Dorkin is looking at either keeping the facility on his property, possibly expanding the Adonis facility or just going north of Adonis, on State land. Mr. Dorkin, Pima County Wastewater and myself all prefer having one regional facility away from Adonis. I have not heard back from Mr. Dorkin's consultant on what they are doing. I have been talking to Don Brooks about this since last year. One possibility, which we have not looked at very carefully, is an improvement distdct for providing a connection between Tangerine Road and Grier Road as an exit to Mr. Dorkin's property. There is a possibility to extend sewer to that area, we don't know if it would have to be pumped or gravity flow. The improvement district would entail a road, the water and the sewer. Mayor Harn: If we did something like that, we could provide something that would work towards helping everybody in that area get their act together and make that property over there a more useful property. I would like for you to look into that and see what is happening there. Herb Kal: I would like to get some feeling from the Council on the three sites. It seems to me that the cost for infrastructure on the two Tangerine sites is going to be high. Sherry Millner: The cons we have on this site here are that it is slated to be surrounded by residential. You will have no reom to grow, if need be. Usually, a town grows up around the Town Hall. There would be no reom for businesses to move in. Because of all the traffic that Town Hall brings, we looked at being close to a school. That could cause problems. We looked more at the general plan where the center of town is projected to be, where it will be easier to access. It will be more accessible and visible at the Tangerine site, and more at the center of town. No matter where you put it, people are going to not want it there. In my opinion, those areas there will appease more of the population than Continental Ranch or in this direction. We looked at the whole image that the Town is trying to project. I like the park idea, but that was one of the few pros of putting it down here. There will just be too much residential, here. Roxanne Ziegler: I have this Marana Municipal Facilities thing that SVP put together and when I open to the front page of it, I see something totally different than what Sherry is saying. I see Town Hall, future government buildings, existing sewers, public mall, professional uses, etc. What I am saying is that I understand what Sherry is saying, yet when I look at SVP's diagram, I see a lot of what the concerns are in their proposal. Everything on the list of "what it takes to build an urban service area for a community" is met in this area. Jerry Flannery: This is one of the top three, so it did meet most of the criteria. One of the things we looked at as a committee was servicing a population of 250,000- 300,000, and visualizing what type of Town Center this would be. Roxanne Ziegler: From what I can tell, by looking at this, even if high density residential went up around this complex, it would be O.K. Are you suggesting that if we build at Tangerine, your committee does not want any houses around? Jerry Flannery: From a planner's perspective, you want it to be serviced by, possibly, high density residential, but you want to have zoning indicative of commercial, high intensity type uses compatible with the Town Center. If you can picture cities such as Glendale, Chandler or Gilbert, you have commercial corridors of those cities that service a large population. You want it to be accessible by residences, but a lot of residences and not just the immediate residential neighborhood. The commemial and government activity center, from a planning perspective, should service a large population. ]0 Roxanne Ziegler: The Council has to look at this from the very top view down. Not just from cost, which is a big driver, but from all aspects. This is a very difficult decision and we have to try to remember that, although money is not the only driver, when you are looking at a half a million dollars to put in a sewer system or water system, do we want to off set that by being here. Mayor Harn: I would like to bring this to a close, if no one else has any questions about the infrastructure or any other related questions. Brad DeSpain: I am cautious to do this and I will ask first if it would be appropriate, but if you want to be real innovative, we can solve some of the sewer problems with a system where we can treat the effluent and then that water is pure enough to utilize for irrigation for the landscaping. I can bring you numbers on that and I think they will be substantially lower than the numbers you are looking at for a sewer system to be put in. Mayor Harn: Please bring that back to Council, I would like to see those numbers. Is Council satisfied with the short list? Ed Honea: I can live with any of the three sites on the short list, I don't think any of them are atrocious. If we are going to look at something centered, something that is going to be a hub of our community, with Tangerine/I-10 tying the southwest and north ends together, then those Tangerine sites have a tremendous amount of potential. I think some of the infrastructure information is extremely exaggerated. If we put a Town Hall site on Tangerine and just put a septic system in, temporarily, to take care of the Town Hall site, it can be done for a very minimal amount of money. I would also like to comment on the north sites. I like the Hum property because it is a better piece of property than this one. It is higher, it did not flood in 1983, it is closer to the sewer and water, it is closer to the freeway, it has better access and it is in a commercial district. That entire gin property is going to be commercial property. You have the Chevron, a bank may be going in by the Chevron, the Chamber of Commerce and a school. All of that is industrial and it is right there next to an intersection with easy ingress and egress. I think the Hum property has a great deal of merit and I think we should look at it. This piece of property has a great deal of merit as well. The Town Hall, park and library are all already here. However, the ingress/egress to this property is atrocious. Lon Adams and Barnett are very narrow roads, we would have to do a lot of infrastructure improvements to get people in and out of here. It is not easy to get to the freeway, either. Mayor Harn: This will be discussed in the regular meeting, as well. Please bring this up at that point, if you want to include this. VI. ADJOURNMENT A motion was made by Vice Mayor Sutton, seconded by Ed Honea, to adjourn. Motion was carried 6/0. Meeting adjourned at 6:45 PM. CERTIFICATION 1! I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are the true and correct minutes of the Marana Town Council held on December 2, 1997. I further certify that a quorum was present. , S~?~)RA L. (~ROSEC E, T ~ '~L. ,R~OS~'~W~