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HomeMy WebLinkAbout05/21/1996 Regular Council Meeting MinutesPLACE AND DATE Marana Town HaH May 21, 1996 L CALL TO ORDER By Mayor Honea at 7:12 p.m. IL PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE Led by Mayor Honea III. INVOCATION Led by Mayor Honea IV. ROLL CALL COUNCIL Ed Honea Sharon Price Tom Clark Ora Mae Harn Sherry Mlllner Herb Bobby Sutton Jr. Mayor Vice-Mayor Council Member Council Member Council Member Council Member Council Member STAFF Hu~vie Davia Dan Hochuli Sandra Groseclose Jerry Fiannery Dave Atler Dan Groseciose Brad DeSpain Able Sanchez Jane Johnson Doug Maples Town Manager Town Attorney Town Clerk Planning Administrator Town Engineer CDBG Coordinator Utilities Advisor Engineering Department Human Resources Director Chief Building Official 11 Members of the Public V. APPROVAL OF AGENDA A motion was made by Ora Harn, seconded by Bobby Sutton, Jr. and carried unanimously to approve the Agenda with Item E to follow Item A and that Item A, Consent Agenda #4 be taken off the Consent Agenda and handled as a separate item. VI. ACCEPTANCE OF MINUTES A motion was made by Tom Clark, seconded by Sharon Price and carried unanimously with Council Member Sutton abstaining from the vote, to approve the minutes of Regular Council Meetings of April 16, 1996 and May 7, 1996. VII. CALL TO THE PUBLIC/ANNOUNCEMENTS Sandy Groseclose: Mrs. Groseclose introduced Mary Short to the Council. She is a new Town employee who is the receptionist at the Town Hall. VIII. STAFF REPORTS Staff reports are on file at the Town Hall. IX. GENERAL ORDER OF BUSINESS A. Consent Agenda 1. Resolution No. 96-47 - Consideration of an Intergovernmental Agreement with the Arizona Department o Public Safety providing for Marana's continued participation in a Statawide Gang Task Force. 2. Resolution Nos. 96-44, 96-45 and 96-45 - Extension of Community Development Block Grant contracts. 3. Ordinance No. 96.25 - Consideration for adoption and second reading of an Amendment to Section 02. of the Marana Personnel Policies, adding Section 02.13 which outlines fingerprinting requirements for town empfuyees who work with children. A motion was made by Ora Ham, seconded by Bobby Sutton, Jr. and carried unanimously to approve the Consent Agenda without Item//4. 4. Ordinance No. 96.24 - Spa/Pool Amendment - Consideration for adoption of an Amendment to the Marana Spa and Pool to increase the enclosure height to five feet. Hurvie Davis: Some time back we adopted the Uniform Building Code and one of the Codes that is part of that is the Spa/Pool Code. The issue before Council this evening is to give consideration to increasing the height back to five feet, it currently is four feet. Doug Maples: This issue to clarify the reason for the options is that if we have a person that has a yard that is encompassed with a block wall, the block wall be/rig less than five feet. If they come in for a permit to put in a pool we then would issue the permit but we would also require them to raise that wail up to five feet. Most of the block walls that are being built out there are the four and six inch wide block. Anything below five feet does not require a permit, nor does it require any inspections. In the course of this we end up having to require them to take that wall down and put up a new wall. With Option//2 it gives Mr. Maples the direction to allow them to add one or two courses to their ex/sting wall to meet the pool barrier. Without that variance I would have to require them to remove the wall and out up and engineered four inch, six inch block wail to meet the wind resistance for that wall. A motion was made by Sharon Price, seconded by Sherry Millner and carried unanimously to approve Ordinance No. 96.24, amending the Spa/Pool Code barrier height from 4' 0" to 5' 0" for resident/al spas and pools and allow the homeowner to increase their present block wall to meet the requirements of this Code, without constructing a new 8' block wall. E. Pima County's Commitment to Bank Protection Along the Santa Cruz River Item E transcribed verbatim. B. Lattgo, Inc. - Appeal to the Mayor and Council by Mr. Allen Geyer of Latigot Inc. to lift a Cease and Desist Order which was issued by Marana Staff on May 1, 1996, ordering all commercial activity to cease on the property located at 11900 North Sanders Road in Marana, Arizona, due to Development and Building Code violations. Hurvie Davis: This is a complex issue but as he understands it, it was a business operating without the proper authority and permits. There seems to be some differences of opinion or misunderstandings. Jerry Flannery: Town Staff May I, 1996 issued a cease and desist order for this business. That was the very end ora long discussion and a long process that Staffwas involved with. As Mr. Davis eluded to the Town Attorney's staffwas involved, the building staffwas involved as well as Mr. Flannery's staff. Hopefully the report indicates and gives the Council a little bit of some of the time that was involved with this entire issue. We operated in good faith, we had meetings with Mr. Geyer as well as the property owner's representative. The property ownership is an issue that once we found there were uses going on at the property that didn't have proper permits, we followed the process. What we normally do is find the property ownership and then pursue legal notification that there are violations that exist on the property. Before we had an opportunity to do that the property owner Bing Wong, notified Staff that the business that was occurring on the property was his property. But the business did not have his permission. At that point a series of events occurred, after which Mr. Wong met with his representatives and they met with Mr. and Mrs. Frank Gee, who are also involved with the corporation some how. In this case we have the property in a use that's on a parcel of land less than 25 acres, the zoning is "C". The "C" zone says that you have to have at least 25 acres for the land use or the parcel's size, this property is below that by 15 acres. You either have to go through a rezone or change the use so that it's 25 acres. Staff met with the representatives from BKW Farms, the Town Attorney, Town Building Department and representatives of Mr. Allen Geyer. We came up with some discussion and some resolution at that time, it was April 9, 1996. There were safety inspections conducted by the Building Department since May 1, 1996. There has been some progress at this point, Staff suggested that this progress be placed before this meeting so it would show good faith that the business was trying to accomplish some of these things. Mr. Flannery met with Mr. Ralph Wong this morning and he informed him that the property is still in escrow and that the rezone would be forth coming. We spoke specifically about some of the requirements of the rezone and how that should take place. Doug Maples: At an April 9, 1996 meeting it was agreed upon that Mr. Geyer would get a special inspection for safety issues only, not for anything other than just to insure that there wasn't anything blatantly there that could cause hazard to potential customers or employees. After that meeting he was to contact us the following day and request this inspection, we never received that call. Mr. Maples did contact him and talked to him about this, on May 15, 1996 a safety inspection was done. Randy Ogle on of the Building Department's inspectors went to the property for an inspection. Mr. Geyer told him that he was only to inspect the mobile home office trailer, that the other building was not part of the inspection. Randy then followed the directions of Mr. Geyer and only inspected the trailer at that time. During that inspection there were several safety issues, such that if it was any other situation we would not allow anybody to occupy that building. The electrical conditions of that building are in unsafe conditions. Upon Mr. Maples return on Monday, he instructed Randy Ogle to go out to the site and do an inspection on the main building, after doing this inspection he did take some pictures of the main building. It is his recommendation that from a building perspective that we would not allow this business to continue without them addressing these safety issues immediately. As Mr. Flannery also indicated it is his understanding that throughout this whole process that the Town worked with Mr. Geyer and BKW Farms in very good faith to try and get this resolved. Unfortunately Mr. Geyer has not filled his commitment in any shape or form until the Cease and Desist Order was served on him. He did make one commitment on May 10, 199(~, he applied for a Subject Tank Permit through P/ma County. Unfortunately he did not fulfill another commitment~ he does have hazardous waste on that property and it needs to be addressed. He has fuel storage tanks that need to be permitted through P/ma County DF_~, none of that has been addressed. He observed today three separate above ground storage fuel tanks. Tom Clark: The meeting that took place between all the entities was that recorded. Doug Maples: No it was not. Bobby Sutton, Jr.: He would like to see the pictures ofthe main property. Tom Clark: Who will own the property. Doug Maples: According to his conversations this property is in escrow and will be transferred to the Gee family, Mr. Wong will be the representative. Jerry Flannery: This morning when he met with Ralph Wong he mentioned that there were some other legal issues that have been coming up recently. Ora Harn: Is there a problem with working on the rezoning since the people who are work/ng on it haven't completely bought the property. Jerry Flannery: Our requirements allow for a property owner that is in escrow with a property, with the permission of the present owner to pursue that. We do have a letter from Bing Wong saying that Frank and Margaret Gee have permission to pursue this. Mr. and Mrs. Gee have sent a letter saying that Latigo ownership has permission to go ahead with the process. Mr. Ralph Wong is pursuing the rezone at this point, he is currently in escrow. Allen Geyer, Latigo Inc.: He has a copy of the building permits, which in every instance in talking with Mr. Maples, he states they are temporary permits. There is a final electrical permit for the building which is approved. There's a building permit, final, approved by the Building Department. The temporary permit has a $45.00 fee, he has a copy of the check he gave the Town for $85.00 and a copy of the/r deposit when it was put in the bank. He did go down to get a building permit for the trailer, he did not set it up. He went to get the building permit and was told by the Building Department that they could not give him a permit because Bing Wong said that he has no authority and no right to be there. Mr. Geyer's lease is with Frank Gee and Ralph Wong is who he talked with on the property, he has had permits issued by the Town of Marana. He has appliad for sign permits and was told he could not get one, nobody would issue him a sign permit until it was approved by Mr. Fiaunery. He was told he could have no building permits of any kind until Mr. Maples approved it. At the April 9, 1996 he stated that if Marana wants him out of the Town he can move out in two weeks. He will not do any permits until he gets a hearing in front of the Mayor and Council for a Certificate of Occupancy, then he will agree to do what ever he has to do. After the Cease and Desist Order was served Mr. Geyer was told to contact the Town Prosecutor Kelly Schwab and talk with her. He called Kelly and was told she was not in, he called ail next week and she has never returned his calls. Finally she returned Mr. Geyer's attorney's call yesterday, Monday. She would not give him any answers as to what he had done to cause this. One other thing that is bothering him right now is the hazardous materials, we're in the hazardous material business. What Mr. Maples is talking about is a barrel of salt, nobody besides Marana feels that this is a hazardous material. The statement Mr. Maples made about the fuel tanks on the property, he has a disposal permit from the Fire Marshal from the State of Arizona. He has to give a certificate of destruction to the State Environmentalist. He has to cut those tanks, it is illegal for me to sell those tanks as water tanks to anybody in the State of Arizona. He likes Marana and would ilke to stay here, but if the Town doesn't want him here and people lie to him he doesn't want to be here. Mr. Geyer's son was sent down last week to get a building permit, he was told he couldn't do it. He called Cindy for two and a half weeks to have her call him back about getting a sign permit. If he is given a Certificate of Occupancy so he can stay there he will bring every single thing up to code, but he will not be lied to or lied about by Town Staff. Doug Maples: Mr. Geyer's word is that the barrels contain salt, our Department doesn't have the barrels to inspect the barrels or their contents, DEQ does that. If the barrels only contain alt DEQ will issue a permit for that. The issues with the storage of his gasoline tanks, on April 9, 1996 he was questioned about that. He informed us at that meeting that he did repair these tanks, and that he did sell them to farmers for use of water. Sharon Price: Was that farmers in the area. Doug Maples: He has no idea, he did not indicate where he did sell them. Mayor Honea: Are we talking about used fuel tanks or used water tanks that are being reused. Doug Maples: Used fuel tanks that he would repair and clean up. He also wanted to address the issue if the permit, that permit was issued on 2-22-96, it was issued for temporary power for clean up purposes only. He was charged $85.00 as it was indicated on the permit, that was an error. Once that was brought to our attention by Mr. Wong, we enacted that he be reimbursed the extra $40.00 that he was over charged. Mayor Honea: Is it documented on the request that it is a temporary request. Doug Maples: No. On a temporary power permit we're going to only look at the actual location of the electrical service and where that's going to feed into the buildings. The reason why this is clouded is he was going only going to utilize this building here, which would be used for storage. Mr. Geyer was told that he would not be able to do any welding in there, he was going to use that permit basically to clean up the building. Then he was going to come back at a later date and get a temporary Certificate of Occupancy, or apply for one. M~gAN~ ~I'OWN CO¢SC~L MAY 21, 1996 Sharon Price: What is an Air Pollution Permit. Doug Maples: He's not sure what the permit is. He was to get DEQ's permission for the use of porta-johns on his property temporarily while he was seeking a building permit. Ora Harn: Does Mr. Maples feel that Latigo Inc. got involved in the family situation on the Wong property. Does he feel that is part of the problem. Doug Maples: That is why he was issued a permit originally. We assumed that he had permission to be on the property, otherwise we would not have issued the temporary permit. Once we became aware of the ownership problems then we basically had to stop issuing any permits for this particular site until those were resolved. It's unfortunate that he got caught up in this situation which possibly escalated his problems, but the ownership issue is one item of many. Mr. Geyer has been familiar with the process of doing a development plan, he tried to do one over on Lon Adams. lle has gone through this process~ he knows the process. Kelly Schwab: She has been involved in this issue for quite a while. The April 9, 1996 meeting came about because of confusion on Mr. Geyer's part as to cooperation between the various departments of the Town. And also confusion on our part over ownership of the property. That meeting was set up so we could address all the issues that Mr. Geyer had with all the Staff members present. This way we could explain to him what he had to do. In fact the Planning Department had written up a short outline of what needed to be done. Mr. Geyer did repeatedly ask in that meeting if he was going to be allowed to do business in Marana. He was advised repeatedly that as it stood at that time it was illegal for him to conduct business on the property. That we were willing to let the Council hear this issue. We told him he could take the issue before Council to see if the Council would issue a temporary Certificate of Occupancy pending the rezone application and development plan as well as the other issues he needed to comply with. in the mean time he was told of the violations as they existed. When Ms. Schwab left the meeting we thought we were ail working together to resolve these issues so we could come to Council in a cooperative good faith effort. After that meeting things sort of fell apart. She would like to point out from a personal standpoint, she did receive one call from Mr. Geyer and she was not in the office that day. The following Monday she talked to Ray Bernal about ail the problems. She advised him of what was going on and he told her he had a meeting with Mr. Geyer right after the conversation. As Town Staffwe don't like taking drastic and affecting people's ilvefihood, but we felt that Mr. Geyer backed us into Tom Clark: liow often has the entire Development Staff had to get together on an item like this, to resolve an issue as this. Kelly Schwab: This is probably the first meeting, that she is aware of. Tom Clark: From looking at the photographs he is appalled at the condition of the building. Allen Geyer: In reference to him selling gas tanks as water tanks is completely beyond him, how a man could even come close to saying that. We do cut the tanks and they are developed, he makes end dumps out of them, lie has never sold a tank as a water tank to anybody, he doesn't even have any at his own ranch. Tom Clark: Was Mr. Geyer present when these pictures were taken. Allen Geyer: Yes he was, he got there at the end of the inspection, lie told the inspector he was welcome to go anywhere on the property that he wanted to. He never told him only to inspect the trailer, he doesn't work for Mr. Geyer. He thought his boss would tell him whet to inspect when he went to a job, not to ask. Mayor Honea: There could be misunderstandings on this issue. What do we need to do, what does Mr. Geyer need to do that would satisfy the Building and Planning Departments so he could operate. If there are things that that are not safe, we can't allow the business to operate. AHen Geyer: He understands that. Mayor Honea: If there are ways now that the ownership of the property seems to have been answered so this issue could be resolved, what would have to transpire now. Doug Maples: It is his feeling that if Mr. Geyer were to bring the electrical up to Code, he would also have to submit a plan for his tenant improvements. This plan would have to be done by an architect so we could actually see where things are going to be placed. We don't know what is needed to operate the equipment that is on the property. The wires that he has for the trailer are not the issue, the issue is the trailer doesn't meet the Planning and Zoning Codes, it's u 1968 trailer. Because Mr. Geyer has been dealing with Mr. Flannery and Mr. Maples there is one Department that has been let out of the loop, he's never gotten involved with the Engineering Department. There are issues there that also need to be addressed. Mayor ltonea: Will Mr. Geyer have an architectural drawing done of the electrical. Allen Geyer: The building has always been there with the same utilities. Mayor Honea: We're not going to accept liability for letting you do something that could end up coming and biting the Town, but still keep you in business. If Mr. Geyer is required by Code to have an architectural drawing of that facility, then we're going to have to require it in order to even give a temporary Certificate of Occupancy.. Doug Maples: This buliding will be classified as an "H4" occupancy. This is a repair garage with welding and assembly open flame inside the building. Therefore there may be sprinklers required because of the s/ze. Dan Hochuli: He happens to be involved in litigation for another client right now. There's a law suit surrounding one property owner is suing a municipal government because they don't llke what the adjacent property owner is doing. The adjacent property owner is running a business without having gone through the proper permitting stage. The Town got sued for letting "Mr. B" run his business. The Town is obligated to require to have businesses go through the red tape of lots of permitting. Although it sounds good to just prepare a list of what needs to be done, the problem is that ties Staff's hands when they go through what normally would be a process of approving a development plan to saying well we can only do those things the Mayor and Council told us to do instead of going through the process. He came to a realize while sitting here listening to what is going on. It sounds to him that what happened is someone moved onto a pie e of property, started a business. Moved in structures with no permitting, started a business with no permitting, he would guess there is no business license. Essentially just plopped down and started doing it. We have procedures that need to be followed in order to do that. Those procedures, we don't know what they are, Engineer has not even looked at this. Why not, because what happens when you start a business and you move buildings onto a piece of property is you pay fees, take out permit applications. Is it a problem for a business, yes, that's why you start doing it before you are going to open. You don't go and open your business and then say let me operate while ! go through all thc steps everyone else has to go through first. You come in and say this is what I want to do, what hoops do I have to jump through to do it. You figure out what the hoops are, you jump through them and then you get to do what you need to do. And although there is some temptation to try and form a llat tonight, he would suggest to the Mayor and Council that that would be dangerous. What will happen is weql do a list, then Mr. Atler's going to look at it and find other problems. As difficult as it is, at least from a legal standpoint, he is asking the Mayor and Council to have this project move through the course of events of applying for a permit. You can't even do that until you have plans to apply for the permit with. What happens to Mr. Geyer's business in the mean time, while he goes through the process, that's the tough issue. There appears to be a hardship for Mr. Geyer if he is shut down while going through the process, even though that's what anybody else would of had to do. Ion the other hand he would hate to think of what the hardship would be on the Town if there were a problem at this site and the Council has on record given them permission to operate the business without any permits. The issue before the Mayor and Council is to direct Staff to work with Mr. Geyer in the application process. Allen Geyer: He does have a business license and he thought he had a permit. Bobby Sutton, Jr.: He can understand what Mr. Geyer his feeling as far as running his business. What upset Council Member Sutton is the punitive things that Mr. Geyer has said about Staff. This Council that sits before you tonight have put these policies in place, they are only following these policies. Staff members have not said anything derogatory about Mr. Geyer, they have been professional, it's a part of their job. Allen Geyer: He apologizes for getting upset. Ora Ham: If Latigo Inc. started the process they need to go through, what kind of time frame are we looking at. Jerry Flannery: The process for a rezoning which is the first step in this case, before a development plan or any building permits occur, the process could take from 30 to 45 days from the individual's side. Once it is submitted to Town Staff and it's complete, then that process could take 3 months, it has to go before the Planning Commission and the Town Council. The whole process from beginning to end could be probably six to eight months. Ora Ham: How could a man do without his business for six to eight months. Mayor Honea: He was trying to come up with some way that without the Town accepting liability where we could allow Mr. Geyer to operate, but it appears this can't be done. He has compassion to Mr. Geyer's needs and he would like to be able to find some way to do it but our obligation is to the Town. We don*t have no choice, unless we can come up with some way to cover the Town's liability. Jerry Flannery: There are two issues. You have the rezone, the development plan the building permits that are required of everybody. If the Council let any kind of temporary occupancy go into this business there would need to be some basic criteria. Those things that are there right now as they exist are not safe. You have an issue of safety and an issue of process. In his interpretation these issues need to be taken care of to even open the doors. Mayor Honea: In representing the Town and covering the Town for liability , the only alternative we have is Option #1 on this item. We are trying to find a way, but it doesn't appear that we can. We can ask Staffto expedite working with Mr. Geyer to speed this process up. Sharon Price: She can see where some of the confusion has come in on the temporary permit. His money hasn't been refunded yet. Doug Maples: No, it is in the process of being refunded to him. On this particular issue the use belonging on that permit stated equipment yard/shop. We need to be very adamant as the Building Department with the use line on permits, it needs to state exactly what is being done. It was stated on the temporary permit that it was only for clean up purposes only. He issued this permit because of a conversation he had with Brad DeSpaix. Mr. DeSpain talked to Mr. Maples about this particular property and he inform him that Mr. Geyer was going to move onto this property but he wanted to get a temporary power permit to clean up the property. Herb Kal: He would like the Town Staff to work with Mr. Geyer and try to expedite this process of they can. A motion was made by Ora Harn, seconded by Bharon Price and carried unanimously to not allow Latigo Inc. temporary occupancy until a re~one, development plan and proper building permit information is approved. Mayor Honea: We do not want to see Mr. Geyer go somewhere else with his business. We are asking Staffto please work with him as much as they possibly can to see if there are any ways we can expedite this process. C. Tucson Arts Council Project Hurvie Davis: Last year we had a project with the Tucson P/ma Arts Council. They were before Council a few minutes ago to discuss some preliminary things. They are back this evening to explore in more detail the project. Jerry Flannery: At the last Council meeting, Council formed a subcommittee to go out and look at the potential for a monument type mosaic sign. Since that last meeting the Subcommittee went out and looked at a couple areas in Marana. After some discussion we talked about maybe ent~yways or gateways to the Town. We thought the locations at the Plnal/Pima County and at the south boundary of Town 1/5 mile south of Orange GTove Rd. on Interstate 10. When we looked at these properties we weren't sure whether they could be in the right of way or if they had to be on private property. These two locations are very nice. Geri Wharam, Tucson Ptma Council Project Director: She wanted to thank ail of the Council Members who went with her to look at different sites, we came up with these two locations. Mr. Flannery and her talked about a few options as far as what's the next step. One is the cost of construction for the structures that hold the signs. We will need to talk about what type of structure the Town would like to hold the signs, how much you would like to spend and what the statement is that you want to say to the drivers. This is only one of five projects. We are not the applicant, Pima County is the applicant for this grant. We are still in the process of waiting, we do not have the contract yet with Pima County in writing for this project. Bobby Sutton, Jr.: He has been talking about the Town's public image ever since he joined the Council. It is a very important part of what we are trying to do with the Town of Marana, in the changes that we have gone through. This is just a step in our whole image process, we really need to support this. Mayor Honea: The grant would pay for the mosaic, is that correct. It's whether or not we could commit to some sort of structure to mount it on. Jerry Flannery: If we look at the location and then the mosaic tile project, maybe at a future Council meeting we could get some kind of estimate to better detail this, what the costs might be. Maybe we could bring that back to Council in conjunction with the Arts Project, so the project itself can maybe go ahead. Mayor Honea: We could commit to some sort of structure to mount the mosaics on, that would give them enough leeway to go ahead and make the signs right. Geri Wharam: Yes. Mayor Honea: He agrees with Councilman Sutton, we are putting these up to improve our image and a couple of dollars is well spent when several thousand cars a day go by. It would give us a chance to not have to rush on a commitment tonight. Hurvie Davis: Would the commitment for the dollars be before the end of June. Geri Wharam: The students will be working from June 10 to July 26, at the point the signs would be done and we could hand them over to the Town. Mayor Honea: We could put up a structure to mount the signs on and the grant is going to pay for the signs themselves. Jerry Flannery: We would also need to obtain an ADOT Right of Way Permit. Ora Harn: With the information that we have know ail we can do is instruct the Staff to come back to Council with reports. Jerry Flannery: If there is a motion tonight then he would suggest that the two locations are OK with Council and also that the mosaic tile project is OK. A motion was made by Ora Harn, seconded by Herb Kal and carried unanimously to approve the location of the signs at the Pinal County line and Orange Grove as suggested by the Committee. That the mosaic type signs be approved and that we make a commitment to prov/ding the mounting structures with further information at a later date. D. Annual Founder's Day Celebration - The Maruna Chamber of Commerce and the Founder's Day Committee are requesting to change the festivities from October 1997 to March 1997. Hurvte Davis: The Chamber has requested and Staff concurs that we move the Founder's Day Celebration from October of 1997 to March of 1997 and each March there after. The Town was incorporated in March of 1977. Bobby Sutton, Jr.: They are already marketing the Founder's Day for the October celebration, that would mean they would have to start doing the March marketing in September or October. Are we going to be pinning ourselves to have one and then start it right up again. Mayor Honea: It was his understanding in talking to Jan Lawson that the intent was to hold Founder's Day as already stated this year and then have a spec/al celebration in March of this next year. In 1998 we would then go to having the Founder's Day celebration in March each year. This year we would actually have two Founder's Day celebrations, one in October and then the 20th Anniversary celebration in March. Sharon Price: She feels that on the Town's 20th Anniversary the Town probably needs to be involved a great deal in taking part in that celebration. A motion was made by Ora Ham, seconded by Sherry Millner and carried unanimously to change the Marana Founder's Day celebration from October to March and every March thereafter beginning with March 1998. E. Pima County's Commitment to Bank Protection Along the Santa Cruz River Item E transcribed verbatim HURVIE DAVIS: MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL I REALLY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU ANY INTRODUCTION ON THIS ITEM, SINCE IT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE 1983. BUT BASICALLY THE COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED THIS ITEM TO BE ON THE AGENDA NOR DISCUSSION AND SO FOR: REGARDING THE STATUS OF BANK PROTECTION FLOOD CONTROL THROUGH MARANA, PARTICULARLY PHASE lA WHICH HAS BEEN ON AGAIN OFF AGAIN IT SEEMS LIKE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. WE THOUGHT WE HAD BEEN MAKING SOME GOOD PROG1/ESS ON THIS ISSUE. THEN MAYOR ORA HARN AND I WENT OUT AND AND ATTEMPTED TO PROCURE EASEMENTS FROM PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE LEVEE. AND THEN THAT KIND GE WENT BY THE WAYSIDE I GUESS, ACTUALLY I THINK WE CHANGED THE ALIGNMENT OF THE LEVEE ITSELF. HOWEVER RECENT DISCUSSIONS WITH PIMA COUNTY STAFF INDICTED THAT THE FUNDS ARE JUST NOT AVAILABLE TO SEE TO CONSTRUCTION PHASE lA, WHICH WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION WOULD START PERHAPS IN INITIALLY JULY OF THIS YEAR. AND THEN IT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY CHANGED TO OCTOBER, NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE JUST NOT SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO PROCEED WITH PHASE lA. MR. MOORE, MR. HUCKLEBERRY, MR. PAEZ FROM PIuMA COUNTY ARE HERE THIS EVENING, MR. HUCKLEBERRY JUST HANDED ME SOME INFORMATION SHEETS WHICH I WILL PASS OUT TO THE COUNCIL. AND PERHAPS WE CAN JUST OPEN IT UP AND HERE FROM PIMA COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES SINCE THEY ARE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT. MR. MAYOR I'LL ASK MR. ATLER OUR TOWN ENGINEER HAS SOMETHING TO ADD. MAYOR HONEA: I HAD A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO ADD BEFORE FOLKS FROM THE COUNTY SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. YOU KNOW MARANA HAS HAD DEATH AND PROPERTY DESTRUCTION FROM FLOODING IN i983 AND AGAIN HAD PROPERTY DESTRUCTION IN 1993. AND VIRTUALLY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN RECEIVING IS LIP SERVICE SINCE 1983, THAT'S 13 YEARS. THAT'S A LONG TIME TO GET NOTHING. THE VIBRANCE OF THIS COMMUNITY, THE ABILITY FOR IT TO GROW, THE ABILITY FOR US TO PROSPER AND FOR OUR CITIZENS TO PROSPER IS DIRECTLY DEPENDENT ON BANK PROTECTION. AND TWICE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THE TAX LEVY BEEN LOWERED. I FIND THAT VERY HARD TO BELIEVE, CONSIDERING THAT THIS DISTRICT IS DESPERATELY IN NEED OF FLOOD PROTECTION. I'M AGAINST HIGH TAXES AND I'M PRO BUSINESS BUT I THINK THERE'S A TIME AND A POINT THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. AND THAT WAS THE WRONG THING. IN 1993 SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS WAS TRANSFERRED, I THINK IT WAS SEVEN MILLION ROUGHLY THAT AMOUNT, CORRECT MR. MOORE IF I MAKE A MISTAKE HERE. TO TAKE CARE OF SOME PROBLEMS OUT ON THE TANQUE VERDE WASH, THE MONEY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SET ASIDE FOR, FOR OUR PROJECT, I THINK FOR ENGINEERING AND FOR GETTING SOME OF THE THINGS STARTED WITH THE PROMISE THAT IT WOULD BE RETURNED THE FOLLOWING YEAR IN THE NEXT BUDGET. AND GET ON WITH OUR PROJECT. WELL THE MONEY DISAPPEARED BUT IT NEVER CAME BACK. YOU KNOW I MIGHT BE A LITTLE OF ON THE FIGURES BUT THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED. ANOTHER THING I HAVE A LETTER HERE FROM MR, PAEZ. l APPRECIATE HIM WRITING THE LETTER BUT I WAS VERY DISTRESSED ABOUT A FEW THINGS THAT WERE IN IT. ONE OF THEM WAS ABOUT CONTRIBUTIONS FROM PEOPLE ON THE BANK PROTECTION. YOU KNOW VIRTUALLY EVERY FLOOD JOB THAT'S EVER BEEN DONE IN THIS COUNTY HAS BEEN DONE JUST WITH FLOOD PROTECTION MONEY. THER~ HASN'T BEEN A FLOW OF MONEY COMING IN TO THE COUNTY FROM OTHER PEOPLE ON THE RILLITO, ON THE CANADA DEL ORO AND ALL THOSE PROJECTS THAT HAD MAJOR FLOOD WORK DONE ON THEM SO THE WATER COULD GET DOWN HERE MORE QUICKLY. YOU DON'T SEE ANY GROWTH IN THEM, YOU DON'T SEE TRESS GROWING IN, THEY'RE CLEANED, THEY'RE BANKED WHERE THEY NEED TO BE BANKED. AND THE WATER GETS DOWN HERE VERY QUICKLY. ABOUT TEN OR TWELVE, MAYBE FOURTEEN YEARS AGO THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AT THAT TIME AND A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE CAME OUT TO TALK TO US ABOUT RUNNING EFFLUENT DOWN THE SANTA CRUZ RIVER. I WAS A YOUNG COUNCIL MEMBER THEN AND I ASKED A FEW QUESTIONS AND I SAID YOU KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A REAL PROBLEM FOR US, THIS EFFLUENT'S GOING TO CAUSE GROWTH IN THE CHANNEL AND WEEDS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. AND I WAS ASSURED BY THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT THE COUNTY WOULD KEEP THE RIVER CLEANED OUT, THE EFFLUENT WOULD NOT HAVE AN EFFECT ON OUR RIVER. THAT IS PROBABLY THE PRIMARY EFFECT ON OUR RIVER. WHAT IS HAPPENING IS YOU GET TREES GROWING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CHANNEL, THE CHANNEL SILTS UP OR LOW FLOWS. AND THEN WHEN YOU GET A HIGH FLOW THE WATER CANNOT GO DOWN THE CHANNEL SO IT STARTS S'ING AND STARTS CUTTING AWAY THE BANKS, WHICH HAS BEEN ONE OF OUR MAJOR PROBLEMS. A FEW MONTHS AGO WE WERE TOLD THAT THIS WAS FINALLY OUR YEAR WE'RE GOING TO GET BANK PROTECTION. I THINK THE ORIGINAL WAS JUNE, OF COURSE THIS IS ABOUT THE FIFTEENTH EXTENSION THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST THIRTEEN YEARS. IN JUNE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS BANK, WE'RE GOING TO START ON IT, WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING LINED UP. COUNCIL MEMBER HAHN WHO WAS THE MAYOR AT THE TIME WENT OUT, GOT ALL THE RIGHT OF WAYS, FREE GRATIS FROM ALL THE PEOPLE AND WE HAD EVERYTHING READY TO GO. THEN THEY CAME BACK AGAIN AND THEY SAID WELL WE CAN'T DO IT IN JUNE. WE'LL WE HEARD THIS TEN OR TWELVE TIMES BEFORE BUT WE WILL DO IT IN OCTOBER. MR. HUCKLEBERRY MADE THAT STATEMENT AT A PUBLIC MEETING. SO NOW WE HEAR THERE'S NO MONEY TO DO IT IN OCTOBER BUT MAYBE THEY CAN DO IT NEXT JUNE. OF COURSE WHEN NEXT JUNE GETS AROUND IT'LL BE WELL WE'LL DO IT NEXT JUNE. YOU KNOW I FOR ONE AM DAMN SICK AND TIRED OF THESE EXCUSES, OF THE LIP SERVICE. IT'S TIME TO GET SOME ACTION. THERE WAS $91 MILLION DOLLARS THAT CAME INTO THE FLOOD DISTRICT, TO THE COUNTY IN 1983. IF YOU WATCH THE NATIONAL NEWS ALL THE COVERAGE YOU GOT, AND WHEN THE GOVERNOR CAME DOWN AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS OF THE SANTA CRUZ FROM THE PINAL COUNTY LINE BASICALLY UP TO ABOUT INA ROAD. THAT'S WHERE THE MAJOR FLOODING AND THE MAJOR LOSS OF LIFE AND THE MAJOR LOSS OF PROPERTY WAS. YET THAT MONEY CANE DOWN HERE, WHERE DID IT GO. WE DIDN'T EVEN GET A, WE GOT A TOKEN, A COUPLE LITTLE TOKEN JOBS DONE. BUT WE DIDN'T GET REALLY ANYTHING OUT OF THAT MONEY. THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG HERE YOU KNOW. I, I WE HAVE WE HAVE BEEN A THE WRONG END OF THE, OF THE DEAL TO LONG. AND IT'S TIME FOR US TO DO SOMETHING. YOU KNOW I, I'M AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE COULD DO A COUPLE THINGS. WE COULD SUBPOENA THE RECORDS OF THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT SINCE 1983 ASK FOR A STATE OR A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION TO LOOK INTO THE EXPENDITURES OF THE MONEY IN PROPORTION TO THE DISTRICT AND THE TAX BASE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT IT'S, IT'S TIME FOR US, IT'S TIME FOR US TO GET SOME ACTION YOU KNOW. AND EVEN IF WE DO SOMETHING AND IT'S WRONG, AT LEAST WE'RE DOING SOMETHING. WE HAVE BEEN PLACATED AND WE HAVE BEEN PUT OFF OF YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. AND IT'S TIME FOR SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING. ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO SAY. ORA HARN: WELL MR. MAYOR EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW FRUSTRATED I GET ABOUT THIS SUBJECT, I JUST WE PLEADED AND BEGGED, WE PROMISED WE WOULD GET THIS BANK PROTECTION, PERSONALLY I DON'T THINK I COULD BELIEVE ANYBODY IF THEY TOLD ME THEY'RE GOING TO GET US THIS BANK PROTECTION OF THEY TOLD ME ON A STACK OF BIBLES. WHEN WE WENT OUT, NEITHER DID THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO WE WENT OUT AND TOOK ON (INAUDIBLE) QUIT CLAIM DEEDS, (INAUDIBLE) AGREEMENT FOR THE BANK PROTECTION WHEN HURVIE AND I WENT OUT. BUT THEY WERE ALL AGREEABLE AND THEY SAID IF THE COUNTY PUTS FORTH SOME EFFORT TOWARDS IT YOU KNOW IF THEY REALLY BEGIN TO DO THIS (INAUDIBLE). AND MANY PROMISES WERE MADE THEN WHICH WAS WHAT HURVIE TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO GIVE OR TAKE A LITTLE. AND THEY SAID, ONE OF THE LAND OWNERS SIGNED. AND THE REST WERE IN AGREEMENT THAT IF THERE WAS SOME HONEST EFFORT SHOWN TOWARDS THE PROJECT THAT THEY WOULD SIGN THOSE EASEMENTS ASKING NOTHING IN RETURN FOR THOSE EASEMENTS. THEN, NOW THE BANK PROTECTION AND LINE OF THE BANK PROTECTION HAS CHANGED AND WE NOW HAVE ANOTHER STACK OF EASEMENTS, AND I'M WILLING TO GO BACK TO EVERY COMPANY AND EVERY PROPERTY OWNER THAT WE VISITED BEFORE AND ASK FOR THAT EASEMENT, AND I'M ALMOST SURE THAT WE CAN BRING THEM BACK. BUT 1 AM NOT WILLING TO TAKE MY TIME AGAIN TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, IT WAS A VERY TIME CONSUMING LONG EFFORT. AND I AM NOT WILLING TO DO THAT AGAIN UNTIL THE COUNTY DOES SHOW, AFTER WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THE LAST STATEMENT WAS WELL THIS IS THE BAD NEWS, THERE'S NO MONEY TO DO THE BANK PROTECTION. SO I DO APPRECIATE MR. MOORE COMING TONIGHT TO SPEAK TO US, I DO APPRECIATE MR. HUCKLEBERRY COMING TO SPEAK TO US ABOUT THIS. BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT THEY SPOKE TO ME BEFORE AND AS THE OLD SAYING GOES I THINK THEY SPOKE TO ME WITH FORKED TONGUE. MAYOR HONEA: ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY. MR. MOORE. ED MOORE, COUNTY SUPERVISOR: I'LL JUST THANK YOU FOR LETTING US BE HERE TONIGHT, FORKED TONGUE AND ALL, I'M GOING TO LET MR. HUCKLEBERRY START THIS. ALL OF US WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AFTER WARDS AND I THINK THERE'S THERE'S SOMETHING'S YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THE STATUS REPORT OF WHERE THAT PROJECT IS NOT TO TELL (INAUDIBLE) STARTED, W(INAUDIBLE) COUPLE OF THINGS (INAUDIBLE) BUDGETED THIS YEAR. THE PROJECT SHEET, LET ME JUST GO OVER THIS BRIEFLY WITH YOU AND WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING RIGHT NOW. (INAUDIBLE) MAJOR CHANGE. CAN EVERY BODY HERE ME (INAUDIBLE) GRAB THAT. ORA HARN: PROBABLY BE BETTER. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: WHAT THIS PICTURE IS IS JUST BASICALLY AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH (INAUDIBLE) INTERSTATE AT AVRA VALLEY ROAD. WHAT YOU SEE IS JUST THE VARIOUS ALIGNMENTS AND ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS, PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS DISCUSSION. THIS RED LINE REPRESENTS I THINK ONE OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGNS ON THE ALIGNMENT, I THINK THAT MAYBE THE ALIGNMENT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HAD TALKED ABOUT IN REGARD TO (INAUDIBLE) RIGHTS A WAY AND EASEMENT. THIS ORANGE LINE REPRESENTS BASICALLY THE ALIGNMENT TODAY. AND THAT ALIGNMENT (INAUDIBLE) ENGINEERING WAS DONE BASED ON A LOT OF CONCERNS OR ISSUES THAT WE HEARD ABOUT TAKING PEOPLES HOUSES THAT (INAUDIBLE) ALLOWED. THE WHOLE ISSUE OF HOW DO WE DEAL WITH AVRA VALLEY ROAD AND THE BRIDGE. (INAUDIBLE) IN ADDITION TO ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS FRANKLY WHERE DID THIS PROJECT TERMINATE. WE LOOKED AT PHASE IA AND PHASE lB, THE OTHER THING THE NEW ALIGNMENT DID IS IT AVOIDED SOME CONFLICTS WITH CMID IRRIGATION DITCHES AND ALSO SOME OIL. SO I THINK THAT THE REALIGNMENT AND RE-ENGINEERING HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL. IT'S REDUCED OUR RIGHT OF WAY, SAVED HOUSES, SAVED CANALS AND SAVE (INAUDIBLE). IN ADDITION WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE PHASE lA WAS TERMINATED AND JUST DOWN THE STREAM OF THE TANGERINE LANDFILL. AND NOT GETTING TO THE AREA OF SANDERS ROAD, THIS BECAUSE OF AGAIN ISSUE OF MONEY CONCERNS, MONEY CONCERNS, TAX REVENUES DO IMPACT WHEN WE CAN DO THIS PROJECT. THE DECISION THAT'S BEEN MADE AT LEAST TO DATE IS TO TRY AND COMBINE THE TWO PROJECTS OF PHASE lA AND PHASE lB, GET IT TO AT LEAST SANDERS ROAD SO IT DOES ABOUT TWICE THE AMOUNT OF FLOOD PROTECTION AS WELL AS TAKING ACREAGE OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN THEN HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN CONTEMPLATED BY TERMINATING THE PROJECT JUST BEYOND THE LANDFILL. YOU KNOW STATISTICS THEY KIND OF SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES THIS IS A MAJOR PROJECT, IT'S NOT A MINOR UNDERTAKING. IT OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HAD IT DONE AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION SOME TIME AGO BUT THAT' NOT REALITY THAT'S NOT WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES TODAY. WE FIND OURSELVES HERE TODAY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND THE PROJECT AND HOW TO GET IT STARTED IN CONSTRUCTION. I WAS A LITTLE SURPR/SED WHEN I SAW (INAUDIBLE) INDICATION WAS MADE (INAUDIBLE) BECAUSE THE INDICATION I HAD RECEIVED WAS THAT THE PROJECT WAS CANCELED, WE NEVER CANCELED THE PROJECT, WE'VE EXPENDED (INAUDIBLE) STAFF TIME AND COSTS TODAY TO ABOUT $850,000.00 IN DESIGN. THE DESIGN OF PHASE iA IS DONE, THE DESIGN OF PHASE lB IS GOING TO BE DONE IN SIX WEEKS. WE BASICALLY ARE AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ABOUT HOW WE CAN FUND THE PROJECT AND MOVE IT FORWARD TO CONSTRUCTION. IF WE'RE NOT TO CONCERNED ABOUT THE RIGHT A WAY, WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY SOME OF THE RIGHT A WAY, AND AS I GO THROUGH THIS I'LL TELL YOU WHAT PIECES OF RIGHT OF WAY AND STATE LAND THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO BE DONATED. THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES AND PROBABLY EITHER THE BANK (INAUDIBLE) POSITIONS ARE SO GREAT THAT WE YOU KNOW ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME DONATIONS BUT WE DO EXPECT OTHER PEOPLE TO DONATE. UM WE HAVE HISTORICALLY BUDGETED (INAUDIBLE) TAX LEVY TWO YEARS AGO IT'S ABOUT FIFTY EIGHT CENTS PER HUNDRED DOLLARS OF ASSESSED VALUATION (INAUDIBLE). (INAUDIBLE) DECREASES OR/MPACTS OR ABILITY TO RAISE CASH AND BUILD PROJECTS. THAT'S AS SIMPLE AS IT IS. NOW IN ADDITION TO THAT WE'VE BEEN CONCERNED AND EVERY BODY'S BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT BUDGET CEILINGS AND HOW MUCH MONEY IN THE BUDGET (INAUDIBLE) BECAUSE WE'VE HAD OUR BUDGET REDUCED OVER THE YEARS. SO (INAUDIBLE) MUCH MONEY (INAUDIBLE) WE'RE HOPING TO REVERSE THAT TREND THIS YEAR WITH THE BOARD. OBVIOUSLY IT'S A BOARD DECISION, IT'S MADE BY FIVE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. AND WE HOPE THAT WE WON'T BE FACING THOSE KIND OF CAPITAL CONCERNS YOU KNOW FOR BUILDING FACILITIES (INAUDIBLE) SUCH AS THIS PROJECT. WE'VE ACTUALLY DEVELOPED TWO OR THREE SCENARIOS ON HOW TO FUND THIS PROJECT AND GET IT OFF THE GROUND. SO WE'RE NOT JUST SITTING BACK HERE ASSUMING THAT WE'RE GOING TO (INAUDIBLE) RAISE THE TAX RATE BECAUSE MARANA (INAUDIBLE). WE AREN'T BASICALLY COUNTING ON THAT TO BEING THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM, WE GOT A COUPLE OTHERS THAT BASICALLY I INTEND TO TAKE BEFORE THE BOARD AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO FUND THIS PROJECT AND HOPEFULLY KEEP THAT TAX RATE RELATIVELY CONSTANT. AND THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT NEED TO ADDRESS HERE AND TALK ABOUT. I DID GIVE YOU THE THREE SCENARIOS, WE'RE GOING TO PURSUE THE MIDDLE ONE BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS WE DON'T HAVE A SHORTAGE OF TECHNICAL KNOW HOW ON HOW TO BUILD THE PROJECT. WE DON'T HAVE BASICALLY A LACK OF TIMING TO DESIGN IT, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM (INAUDIBLE) MARANA AND OUR OWN COMMITMENT. (INAUDIBLE) RIGHT OF WAY FROM TODAY ON THE BOARD'S AGENDA, THE APPLICATION FOR STATE LAND TO ACQUIRE THE RIGHTS OF WAY FOR THIS PROJECT. (INAUDIBLE) APPROVED I BELIEVE BY AN UNANIMOUS VOTE. THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COSTS, COMBINING lA AND lB WE'RE LOOKING AT AN AGGREGATE COST OF ABOUT $14 MILLION. WE HAVE ABSORBED THE ENGINEERING COSTS, WE ANTICIPATE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY AT LEAST $400,000 AND SOME ODD THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR RIGHT OF WAY AND STATE LAND, (INAUDIBLE) LAND AND OTHER LAND (INAUDIBLE) TO MUCH OF THE PROPERTY WE (INAUDIBLE) BENEFIT. WE KNOW THAT UH IN BUILDING THIS PROJECT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS ON WHAT WE CALL (INAUDIBLE) ENGINEERING INSPECTIONS (INAUDIBLE) ABSORB BASICALLY THOSE COSTS. SO THEN WHAT WE REALLY FRANKLY ARE FACED WITH IS HOW DO WE RAISE THE CASH SO THE CONTRACTORS, WHEN WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR (INAUDIBLE) THAT'S THE $12.2 MILLION WHICH IS THE COST, (INAUDIBLE) THE NUMBER BELOW THAT. IF YOU TURN THE PAGE WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BASICALLY HAVE A COUPLE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES OTHER THAN THE COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT TAX LEVY. AND THOSE ARE SOURCES THAT BASICALLY THE TOWN OF MARANA HAS GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO SECURE AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE THERE. STATE FUNDS, FEDERAL FUNDS, IF YOU ADD THOSE TWO TOGETHER THAT'S, FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, STATES FUND THAT REMAIN ARE ABOUT $3.00 MILLION. THE TAX LEVY THAT'S BASICALLY AVAILABLE NEXT YEAR IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, 96 -97, (INAUDIBLE) LOW OF $1.3 TO A HIGH OF $3.4 AND THAT BASICALLY DEPENDS ON HOW WELL WE CAN IN FACT SHIFT MONEY FROM OTHER PROJECTS OTHER FOLKS WHO (INAUDIBLE) AREA. WE'D LIKE TO SHIFT AS MUCH OF THAT AS POSSIBLE. YOU ADD AVAILABLE FEDERAL MONEY, STATE MONEY AND TAX LEVY MONEY TOGETHER THAT MEANS THAT TO MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK WE BUDGETED OVER TWO FISCAL YEARS TILL NEXT YEAR 97-98 WE'RE LOOKING AT A VARIABLE BETWEEN Sd TO $6 MILLION OF ACTUAL CASH WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO THE CONTRACTOR TO FINISH THE PROJECT BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING IS CONSTRUCTION STARTING IN MARCH OF 97 MEANING THAT WE'LL BE OUT TALKING WITH (INAUDIBLE) OUT FOR BID PROBABLY IN THE OCTOBER TIME FRAME WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION, SOME WHERE BEHIND, BUT ALL OF THOSE ARE PLANNED. PLANNED ON YOU KNOW, NO ONE'S GOING TO TOUCH THE TAX (INAUDIBLE) AND THAT BASICALLY THE TOTAL COUNTY BUDGET AS FAR AS (INAUDIBLE) CAPACITY (INAUDIBLE). IF YOU ADD ALL OF THESE TOGETHER ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT I GOING TO MAKE TO THE SUPERVISORS AND TO GET THIS PROJECT CONSTRUCTED IS THAT WE DO SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY YOU DO. AND YOU DO IT PROBABLY HOPEFULLY LESS OFTEN THEN WE DO IT, BUT IT'S SHORT TERM BORROWING, TO WHERE WE BORROW AGAINST A LEVY FOR THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS TO GAIN CASH TO BUILD PROJECTS. AND THAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO LOOK AND APPROVE, THAT'S GIVE US THE FULL CASH ABILITY TO 12 CONSTRUCT THIS PROJECT (INAUDIBLE) CONSTRUCTED THEN EARMARKING IT YOU KNOW THE NEXT TWO TO THREE FISCAL YEARS. A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS EACH YEAR OF THE LEVY, WE (INAUDIBLE) REALLY ABOUT TYPICALLY EVERY PENNY OF OUR FLOOD CONTROL DISTRiCT LEVY COUNTY WIDE (INAUDIBLE) TO ABOUT $250,000.00 THAT'S 4 CENTS PER MILLION, (INAUDIBLE) ABOUT 8 CENTS OF THE LEVY, 8 CENTS OF A THE 36 CENTS LEVY TO DATE WILL DEVOTED TO CAPITAL (INAUDIBLE) OF THIS PROJECT. THIS IS A SCENARiO THAT I THINK WORKS, THE ONE THAT BASICALLY GETS THE LEVEE BUILT AND GETS FLOOD PROTECTION. IT ACTUALLY EXTENDS THE PROJECT TO DO WHAT I CALL MORE GOOD FOR MARANA THEN PHASE lA WOULD DO. IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECOVERED ACRES, THE ACREAGE THAT'S TAKEN OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN THAT'S AT 4,418 ACRES THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT RECOVERY FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PHASE IA AND PHASE lB AND CAPITAL COSTS IS NOT THE SIGNIFICANT TWO OR THREE MILLION DOLLARS TO BUILD THE CHANNEL UP TO PHASE lB, (INAUDIBLE). ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO BE OUTSTANDING ARE ISSUES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS. WHEN WE GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS (INAUDIBLE) FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT WE ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH, WHO BENEFITS, WHO PAYS WHAT HAPPENS, THAT KIND OF THING. AND I THINK WE'VE HAD CORRESPONDENCE BEFORE AND I JUST (INAUDIBLE) COUPLE OF ISSUES, THE FIRST ISSUE WAS THE RIGHT OF WAY. (INAUDIBLE) COMES FIRST, COMMITMENT TO THE FUNDING AND COMMITMENT TO THE RiGHT OF WAY. NOW ALL 1 CAN SAY, TELL YOU TONIGHT IS THE PLAN STAFF HAS TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD, NOTHING IS DONE UNTIL BASICALLY THE BUDGET 1S ADOPTED BY THE BOARD. IN ADDITION ONE OF THE ISSUES, THE ISSUE OF FAIR SHARE. AND I THINK THE TOWN HAS A FAIR SHARE ORDINANCE, WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO ADVANCE THIS MONEY, WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO ADVANCE IT TO THE EXTENT OF HOW LONG, IT MAY E ADVANCED FOR A VERY LONG TIME. BUT AS THIS LEVEE GOES IN AND THE LAND THAT'S BEHIND THE LEVEE THAT (INAUDIBLE) DEVELOPED FOR IMPROVEMENT, THEY (INAUDIBLE) FARM LAND, WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING THE MANAGER AND ASKING THE STAFF TO PROPOSE SOMETHING BACK AS A FAIR SHARE CONTRIBUTION THAT WILL BENEFIT (INAUDIBLE) TO THAT LAND (INAUDIBLE). AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY (INAUDIBLE) GOING TO SAY IS WE'RE LEAVING THAT COMPONENT WIDE OPEN AND (INAUDIBLE) BASICALLY FOR PROPOSAL BACK TO THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT, SAY WHAT IS FAIR AND WHAT IS REASONABLE, THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING. WITH THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. MAYOR HONEA: COUNCIL MEMBER HARN. ORA HARN: MR. MAYOR, MR. HUCKLEBERRY MR..DAVIS AND I SAT IN I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. MOORE'S OFFICE AND MAYBE IT WAS MR. MARSH'S OFFICE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE BRiDGE AND BOTH YOU AND MR. MOORE ASSURED US THAT ALTHOUGH YOU WERE TAK/NG THAT FLOOD CONTROL MONEY FOR THAT, TO PICK YOUR PROJECT, AND MR. MARSH, SUPERVISOR MARSH'S DISTRICT THAT THERE WOULD STILL BE MONEY ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THE MARANA PROJECT. WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THAT. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: WELL I THINK THE MONEY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE MONEY THAT WAS ADVANCED ABOUT $4 MILLION FOR THE TANQUE VERDE ROAD ACROSS THE AGUA CALIENTE WASH. THAT MONEY WAS MONEY THAT WAS (INAUDIBLE) BALANCE OF THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A ONE TIME (INAUDIBLE) DISCUSSION (INAUDIBLE) MUNICIPAL PROPERTY CORPORATION FUNDING. SPREADING THE CAPITAL COSTS OUT OVER A SERIES OF YEARS (INAUDIBLE) THE BOARD. AND THAT WAS ONE OF SEVERAL PROJECTS FUNDED THAT WAY. THE BOARD BASICALLY DURiNG THE DISCUSSION ABOUT MUNICIPAL PROPERTY CORPORATION SALD NO WE'RE NOT GOING TO FUND IT THAT WAY, YOU HAVE TO FUND IT PAY AS YOU GO ALL UP FRONT. AND SO THAT $4 MILLION NOT SEVEN WENT TO THE TANQUE VERDE ROAD BRIDGE AT THE AGUA CALIENTE WASH, AND THAT WAS MARCH OF 1993. ORA HARN: AND THERE WAS NO, WHERE WAS THE MONEY THAT YOU AND MR. MOORE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO FUND THE MARANA PROJECT. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: EVERY YEAR CAPITAL DOLLARS ARE (INAUDIBLE) EVERY YEAR THAT FILLS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FLOOD CONTROL PROJECTS AS THEY ARE AVAILABLE. LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE THE DISTRiCT HAS HAD THREE AND I THINK WE SAID THIS IN WRITING AND ABOUT A HALF A DOZEN LETTERS WE HAD THREE MAJOR PROJECTS FOR COMPLETION AND THOSE ARE BASICALLY (INAUDIBLE) FEDERALLY FUNDED AND WE ARE MATCHING MONEY ON THE RILLITO. THAT PROJECT IS NEARING COMPLETION. THE ONLY OTHER PROJECT THAT WAS 13 SIGNIFICANT THAT SHARED CAPITAL IS THE LOWER SANTA CRUZ PROJECT (INAUDIBLE). THAT PROJECT IS COMPLETED AND THIS PROJECT IS BASICALLY READY TO GO. (INAUDIBLE) THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. IN THE RILLITO PROJECT PART OF THE MONEY WE ARE GETTING BACK TO BUILD THIS PROJECT NOW IS IN THE RILLITO WE ADVANCED FUNDED SOME OF THE RILLITO PROJECT MORE THAN OUR LOCAL MATCH WAS REQU1RED AT 25%. AND THAT MONEY (INAUDIBLE) PROBABLY ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO FOR $900,000.00 THAT GOES INTO THIS FUND AND COMES BACK (INAUDIBLE). MAYOR HONEA: YOU TALKED A L1TTLE BIT THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE THE 404 PERMIT, THE ARMY CORP OF ENGINEERS. JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO WE HAD CONTACTED SOMEBODY WITH THE COUNTY I DON'T KNOW MR. PAEZ'S OFFICE OR SOMETHING. WE WERE INTERESTED IN IN CLEANING OUT THE CHANNEL WHICH IS BEGINNING TO GROW UP WITH SOME LARGE TREES AND GROWTH. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS YEAR'S HEAVY RAIN SEASON COMING UP IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO. AND AT THAT TIME WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT HAD NOT BEEN ACCOMPLISHED. DID THAT JUST COME UP RECENTLY. CItUCK HUCKLEBERRY: WE HAVE A PERMIT FOR ONE (INAUDIBLE) WE HAVE OBTAINED A PERMIT FOR ONE (INAUDIBLE) SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME. MAYOR HONEA: THE POINT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT THERE ARE SOME PLACES IN THIS CHANNEL THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED OUT NOW, EVEN IF THE PROJECT IS DONE NEXT YEAR. BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE GET A GOOD RUN AND I CAN TAKE YOU DOWN AND SHOW YOU TREES GROWING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RIVER RIGHT NEXT TO THE EFFLUENT THAT THE COUNTY RUNS DOWN THERE. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: CITY RUNS DOWN THERE. MAYOR HONEA: THE COUNTY RUNS (INAUDIBLE). THE CITY MAY RUN THE WATER INTO THE COUNTY, YOU GUYS ARE BOTH GUILTY. ANY WAY I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE SEMANTICS WITH YOU, THERE ARE TREES GROWING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RIVER. WE NEED TO GET THEM OUT OF THERE. WE NEED TO HAVE THAT RIVER CLEANED, IF IT, IF THIS PROJECT'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR TO GET STARTED AND THEN A YEAR TO COMPLETE IT AFTER IT STARTS AGAIN. YOU KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE WE HAVE SOME SOLID BANK PROTECTION. IF WE GET A RUN OFF LIKE WE HAD IN 93, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WORSE FLOOD THEN WE DID IN 93 BECAUSE IT WAS CLEANED OUT IN 83, BECAUSE IT WASHED US ALL AWAY AND IT CLEANED THE RIVER OUT. BUT IT HAS SILTED UP, I USE TO RIDE HORSES UNDER THE SANDERS BRIDGE, RIDE UNDERNEATH, I CAN'T EVEN WALK UNDER 1T NOW. WE HAVE SOME PROBLEMS, WE NEED THIS STUFF CLEANED OUT. AND WAITING A COUPLE YEARS, WE GET ANOTHER BIG FLOOD AND WE KILL A COUPLE MORE OF OUR CITIZENS YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN WAIT FOR THAT. WE, WE NEED SOME, WE NEED SOME HELP NOW. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: I THINK THAT IF THE TOWN WOULD LIKE TO CLEAN OUT THE RIVER WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROBABLY SEND OVER A CONTRACT (INAUDIBLE) DO IT. MAYOR HONEA: HOW MUCH, HOW MANY DOLLARS, MAYBE MR, PAEZ COULD ANSWER THIS. HOW MANY DOLLARS HAS THIS, HAS THIS DISTRICT PAID INTO THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT SINCE 1983 OR ROUGHLY EACH YEAR. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: THE TOWN OF MARANA. MAYOR HONEA: THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, THIS DISTRICT. MR. PAEZ: THE TOWN OF MARANA. MAYOR HONEA: (INAUDIBLE). MR. PAEZ: A MILLION DOLLARS SINCE 1978, 79. MAYOR HONEA: ARE YOU COUNTING THE INA THORNYDALE AREA UP THERE AS WELL,. MR. PAEZ: I'M COUNTING YOUR TOWN BOUNDARY (INAUDIBLE) AS OF 1995. 1 DON'T WHEN THAT TOOK PLACE. ORA HARN: MR. MAYOR SOME OF THE BANK PROTECTION AS ALWAYS BEEN COLD, MARANA'S BANK PROTECTION. THIS AIN'T MARANA AT ALL, IT'S IN P/MA COUNTY. SO YOU KNOW WE'RE ALWAYS YOU KNOW WE'RE. MAYOR HONEA: WELL I KNOW THE RILLITO AREA AND THE CALMAT AREA IS COUNTY PROPERTY. A LOT OF THIS BANK PROTECTION IS NOT IN TOWN IN MARANA. 1N FACT ABOUT HALF OF THAT FIRST PHASE IS NOT IN THE TOWN OF MARANA, PROBABLY (INAUDIBLE) ON THE FAIR SHARE, HAVE THE RILLITO PROJECT OR CANADA DEL ORO PROJECT WHEN THEY WERE ALL CLEANED OUT AND BANK PROTECTED AND STUFF, WE, DID YOU GET SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS IN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE SURROUNDING LAND OWNERS. CItn, dCK HUCKLEBERRY: YES WE DID. WE GOT FIFTY PERCENT FROM THE DEVELOPING PROPERTIES. MAYOR HONEA: AND HOW MUCH I MEAN. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS. MAYOR HONEA: FROM THE CDO AND THE RILL1TO. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: YES. MAYOR HOIVEA: WELL THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO COME UP WITH. HERB KAl: MR. HUCKLEBERRY I'D JUST LIKE TO REINFORCE I FEEL THE SAME WAY THAT MAYOR HONEA DOES. YOU KNOW WE'RE GETTING ,WE'RE, MARANA'S BEARING THE BRUNT OF ALL THE WATER COMING DOWN. YOU'VE DONE ALL THIS IMPROVEMENT UP STREAM, WHEN YOU FLUSH THAT TOILET IT'S GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE. AND YOU KNOW JUST SAYING WELL IT'S MARANA DEALS YOU KNOW WELL YOU KNOW. YOU GUYS TAKE CARE OF IT WHAT EVER. WELL YOU'RE CAUSING THE PROBLEM UP HILL WE GOT TO GET THIS OBSTRUCTION CLEAN DOWN HERE. AND WHETHER IT'S THE EFFLUENT THAT YOU KNOW IS CAUSING THE (INAUDIBLE) GROWTH. WE JUST HAVE A PROBLEM HERE THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED AND IF YOU GOT A 404 PERMIT THAT'S GOING TO RUN PRETTY SOON I SUGGEST YOU GET GOING WITH THAT THING BEFORE YOU HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER ONE. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: THAT'S THE PLAN BASED ON BOARD ACTION THAT WE HAVE TO CONCUR WITH THE SCHEDULE. (INAUDIBLE) SPENDING AND AGREE TO A FINANCING PLAN. (INAUDIBLE). TOM CLARK: MR. HUCKLEBERRY, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THIRD PAGE HERE AT THE BOTTOM, THE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT, MY FAMILY' OWNS A FARM JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD HERE. IS THEIR CONTRIBUTION IN REBUILDING THEIR FIELDS AND PUTTING IN NEW DITCHES AND EVERYTHING COUNT AS PART OF THAT FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT OR WOULD IT. I WOULD HOPE IT WOULD. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: IF IT'S REQUIRED BY THE PROJECT I WOULD ASSUME THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME OFFSET OR CREDIT. AND I THINK THE FAIR SHARE IS NOT TO TRY AND ABSTRACT MONEY FROM (INAUDIBLE) AND EVERYBODY WHO SITS OUT THERE ON AN ACRE OF PROPERTY. IF IN FACT THERE IS DEVELOPMENT AND THE PROPERTY THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED NOW IS UNDER THREE OR FOUR FEET OF WATER (INAUDIBLE) ACTION OF THE SANTA CRUZ RIVER IF THAT (INAUDIBLE) GOES AWAY, THERE IS BETTERMENT TO THE PROPERTY IT NOW CAN BE CONVERTED TO HOUSING. WHEN IT'S CONVERTED TO HOUSING THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME RECOVERY AND I'M NOT SAYING WHAT IT IS. I'M SAYING (INAUDIBLE) OCCURRED, HURVIE DAVIS: MR. MAYOR. MAYOR HONEA: MR. DAVIS. 15 HURVIE DAVIS: IF I MAY SOME OF THE QUESTIONS BEEN POSED TO ME BY VARIOUS PROPERTY OWNERS AND SO FORTH AND I'M HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME TO FIND AN ANSWER TO JUSTIFYING ANSWER OR RESPONSE, IS THAT IF THEY HAVE TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THEIR PROPERTY AND SO FORTH. AND THE PROPERTY IS THEN DEVELOPED OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO GENERATE A LOT MORE TAXES THAN TO THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT YEAR IN YEAR OUT. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE TAXES THAT THEY CONTINUE TO PAY AFTER THEIR PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED. THE HIGHER TAXES THAT ARE GENERATED THAT GOES TO THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT, DO THEY, DO THEY STOP PAYING TAXES THEN ONCE THEY'VE PAID THEIR FAIR SHARE ASSESSMENT TO THE PROJECT. WHEN I WAS HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE STAFF I REALLY DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER BUT I ASSUME THAT THE DISTRICT WOULD STILL CONTINUE TO LEVY A TAX ON THE IMPROVED PROPERTIES. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: THAT'S CORRECT (INAUDIBLE) DISTRICT CONTINUES TO LEVY A TAX (INAUDIBLE) IMPROVED PROPERTIES (INAUDIBLE) DEVELOPERS APPEAR TO BE ADJACENT TO THE CANADA DEL ORO (INAUDIBLE). HURVIE DAVIS: WHAT HAPPENS TO THE MONEY THEN, CItUCK HUCKLEBERRY: THAT MONEY BECOMES (INAUDIBLE) TAX BASE FOR THE DISTRICT. MAYOR HONEA: I WAS GOING TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER KAI SA/D. YOU KNOW I KNOW AND THE COUNTY'S BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AS WELL. BIG HUGE STORM SEWERS AND STORM DRAINS LIKE ON INA ROAD, AND I KNOW THAT CENTRAL TUCSON DOWN AROUND ALVERNON AND SOME OF THAT STUFF USE TO FLOOD LIKE CRAZY. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM NOW BECAUSE THERE'S MAJOR STORM SEWERS AND STORM DRAINS THEY PUT IN DOWN THERE. THERE'S STATE LAW THAT SAYS YOU CAN NOT DO SOMETHING UP STREAM TO HAMPER SOME ONE DOWN STREAM YOU KNOW. IT'S MY CONTENTION THAT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY HAVE BEEN GUILTY OF DOING SEVERAL THINGS. YOU PUT IN BIG STORM SEWERS INSTEAD OF THAT WATER TAKING TWELVE HOURS TO GET OUT OF THE CITY IT'S OUT IN TWO OR THREE. WELL THEN WE GET THE BRUNT. AND MY FAMILY HAS LIVED HERE SINCE I920 AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FLOODS. BUT THAT CHANNEL WAS ABOUT TWELVE FOOT DEEP WHEN I WAS A KID. TAPE IS TURNED OVER. MAYOR HONEA: AND WE'RE ON THE RECEIVING END AND WE NEED SOME HELP. AND YOU KNOW THIRTEEN YEARS AS A LONG TIME TO WAIT FOR NO ACTION AT ALL. THERE HASN'T BEEN A SHOVEL PUT IN THE GROUND ON THIS PROJECT IN THIRTEEN YEARS. IT'S SEEM LIKE IT'S TOO LONG. WE REALLY NEED TO GET IT DONE. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: IF WE TALK ABOUT URBANIZATION AND THE EFFECT OF URBANIZATION, URBANIZATION DOES INCREASE FLOOD PEAKS, BUT I THINK 1F YOU HISTORICALLY LOOK AT THE FLOOD (INAUDIBLE) IMPACT IN MARANA AREA, THEY COME FROM REGIONAL EVENTS. SIMPLY BECAUSE THE BASIN OF THE SANTA CRUZ RIVER MEASURES SEVERAL THOUSAND SQUARE MILES 1N AREA. WHERE AS THE URBANIZED AREA OF TUCSON IS ONLY A FEW HUNDRED SQUARE MILES. AND SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT URBANIZED AREA VERSUS BASIN SIZE, MOST OF THE FLOODING (INAUDIBLE) IS REGIONAL. THE URBANIZATION EFFECTS OF FLOODING TYPICALLY ARE MORE IMPORTANT ON SMALLER WATER SHEDS THEN ON REGIONAL WATER SHEDS OF MARANA. SO WHILE THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY AN AGGRAVATED FACTOR THE CAUSE IS STILL REGIONAL STORM EVENTS, REGIONAL FLOODING ON THE SANTA CRUZ BASE. MAYOR HONEA: MR. DESPAIN DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT. BRAD DESPAIN: MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS I JOINED 1N JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO ON YOUR DISCUSSION. MAYOR HONEA: WHY DON'T YOU COME UP BRAD SO THEY CAN GET YOU ON THE TAPE. BRAD DESPAIN: THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. ONE IS I HEAR A COOPERATIVE MOOD HERE FROM MR. HUCKLEBERRY I HAVEN'T HEARD BEFORE. MAYBE WITH THE COOPERATION OF SENDING AN AGREEMENT OUT HERE TO LET US WORK ON THE RIVER A LITTLE, MAYBE THEY'LL SEND A CAT WITH THAT AGREEMENT AND WE CAN WORK ON THE BRIDGE APPROACHES AT SANDERS MARANA ROAD, WE PRETTY WELL GOT TRICO MARANA STRAIGHTEN OUT DOWN I THINK WITH THE HELP OF THE FEDS. AND THEY DONE SOME BANK PROTECTION AND STUFF THERE. MAYBE WE COULD TAKE THEM UP ON THAT CONTRACT THAT HE'S WILLING TO SEND TO US, LET EM SEND HIS CAT, THEY GOT A CAT. I SEE IT SITTING DOWN IN AMADO QUITE A BIT. BRING IT TO MARANA AND IT WON'T SIT I GUARANTEE YOU. THERE'S SOME OF US THAT'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET YOU AND PEOPLE TO RUN THAT THING. SO WE CAN GET SOME DIRT MOVED AROUND UNDER 'I~IE BRIDGES AND TO WATCH THE BRIDGES AND SO FORTH. SO I RECOMMEND YOU TAKE HIM UP ON THAT, LET'S GET SOMETHING SO MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO THE RIVER. THERE'S INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE HERE, MR. DEWEY OFFERED I KNOW FROM TIME TO TIME TO DO SOME DIRTY MOVING DOWN THERE AT THE MARANA ROAD BRIDGE TO GET RID OF SOME OF THAT MATERIAL AND WHAT HAVE YOU. THE KAI'S HAVE FROM TIME TO TIME AND THE HALBACH'S THOSE PEOPLE HAVE GOT EQUIPMENT THAT THEY CAN WORK WITH US. ANY TIME ANYBODY'S GOT IN THE RIVER THE THREAT HAS ALWAYS COME IT'S TEN GRAND A DAY FOLKS IF THE CORP OF ENGINEERS WANTS TO PUT THE BITE ON YOU BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A 404 PERMIT. WELL MAYBE WE CAN GET EM TO WORK WITH US A LITTLE. I MEAN DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY CHANCE THAT CAT COULD COME AND STAY HERE AT MARANA INSTEAD OF AMADO OR TUBAC. CItUCK HUCKLEBERRY: I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S ASKED. BRAD DESPAIN: I JUST DID, CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: IF YOU KNOW I MEAN, ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THAT I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO BE SUBJECTED TO ACTUALLY IT'S $25,000.00 A DAY FINE AND IMPRISONMENT ANY MORE THAN YOU DO. SO IF IN FACT THAT ISSUE CAN BE RESOLVED IF IN FACT YOU CAN GET A 404 PERMIT EASIER OR BETTER THAN WE CAN WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU THE MONEY OR SEND YOU THE CAT. BRAD DESPAIN: WE CAN'T USE YOUR 404 PERMIT THEN TO DO THAT. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY OUR 404 PERMIT IS VERY SPECIFIC TO VERY SPECIFIC HABITAT IMPACT ON (INAUDIBLE) WE'RE MORE THEN HAPPY TO DO IT FOR YOU. BRAD DESPAIN: OK. SO THE NEXT HOPE THEN IS 1F YOUR 404 DOESN'T WORK THE NEXT TIME THAT WE HAVE A RUN OFF AND THERE'S A FLOOD AND MADE A MISTAKE MAYOR HONEA DECLARES AN EMERGENCY AT THAT POINT IN TIME WHEN WE COULD HAVE GOT IN THERE WITH A CAT FOR NINE DAYS AND DONE SOMETHING (INAUDIBLE). (INAUDIBLE) CAN'T COME UP WITH A 404. LET'S DON'T LET THEM OFF THE HOOK, THEY'RE TALKING SOME COOPERATION HERE AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. I THINK IF YOU LOOK OVER , WON'T STEAL MR. ATLER'S THUNDER BUT I CAN (INAUDIBLE) WHEN THAT WATER LINE WASN'T THERE IT WAS HERE. AND IT MAY NOT BE RIGHT HERE BUT IT WAS DOWN ON THE CORNER OF SANDARIO AND MOORE. SO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING THANK YOU. ORA HARN: 1 THINK MR. DEWEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE HERE. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS MAYBE WE CAN RESPOND TO THEM. MAYOR HONEA: MR. DEWEY DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK, I DIDN'T SEE YOU. WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK TO THIS. BOB STEINER: THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL 1 REMEMBER THE DAYS OF 83 QUITE WELL AS I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE PICTURES 1T GIVES ME CHILLS. I'M DELIGHTED TO HEAR THAT SOME OF THE PROJECT IS BEGINNING TO GET OFF THE GROUND AND MAYBE COME ABOUT. THIS CONCERNS ME JUST A LITTLE IS YOU DO PHASE 1 AND 2 BECAUSE THAT JUST PUTS ME IN A LITTLE MORE JEOPARDY OF GETTING FLOODED. BUT DOWN AT THE TRICO MARANA BRIDGE WHEN I MOVED DOWN THERE IN 1980 81 THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY ELEVEN FOOT OF CLEARANCE UNDER THAT BRIDGE. I CHECKED 1T OUT BEFORE I DID I CHECKED WIT THE CORP OF ENGINEERS AND THERE WAS TO ME NO WATER POSSIBLY BY MY HOME. BY 1983 THERE WAS BECAUSE OF EFFLUENT WATER THERE WAS LE~S THAN THREE FOOT OE CLEARANCE UNDER THAT BRIDGE. THAT'S HOW QUICKLY IT FILLED IN. WE HAD A LOT OF LITTLE FLOODS AND IT, 1T FILLED IN. AND THE COUNTY WOULD COME OUT AND MAKE AN EFFORT TO CLEAN IT AND THEN THEY MADE THE DIKE DOWN THERE AND THEN I GOT FLOODED OUT IN 83. CORP OF ENGINEERS LAUGHED AT ME (INAUDIBLE) DISASTER CENTER BECAUSE THEY TOLD ME I COULD NOT OF ANY WAY POSSIBLY HAVE GOTTEN WATER IN MY HOME. AND OF COURSE THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE CHANNEL HAD FILLED AND THAT THE COUNTY HAD PUT A BRIDGE IN AND 1T DIDN'T CARRY THE WATER AND (INAUDIBLE) PART OF THE CHANNEL WHICH THEN PUSHED THE WATER OVER AND WHICH MADE A LAKE/aN BERRY ACRES. AND OF COURSE THE FLOOD BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE COUNT HAD IT DIKED, I HAVE PICTURES TO SHOW, DID NOT CLEAN APPROXIMATELY 1/3 OF THAT BR/DGE. AND THEN THE COUNTY DID COME IN AND DO SOME WORK BELOW THE BRIDGE (INAUDIBLE) THERE. BUT THEY DIDN'T EVER CLEAN UNDER THAT PART OF THAT BRIDGE. IN THE FLOOD OF 1993 (INAUDIBLE) EITHER BECAUSE IT HAD A TENDENCY TO GO SOUTH. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THEY SPENT TRYING TO PROTECT THE ROADWAY THERE. BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T JUST COME IN AND CLEAN THE BP~DGE, CLEAN OUT THE CHANNEL THERE WITH A (INAUDIBLE) . I TALKED TO LAWRENCE (INAUDIBLE) SEVERAL OF THEM IN THERE, (INAUDIBLE) NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND EARLIER I DID OFFER, AT THAT T/ME THERE WAS NO GROWTH THERE ALL THERE WAS SAND. I OFFERED TO REMOVE THAT AT MY OWN EXPENSE. AND WAS NOT (INAUDIBLE) VERBAL PERMISSION BUT IT WOULD HAVE COST ME SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS TO HAVE DONE THAT. BUT THAT BRIDGE CREATES A BOTTLE NECK FOR ALL OF BERRY ACRES. IF YOU REMOVE ~I~IAT BOTTLE NECK THE CHANNEL IS WIDE ENOUGH TO THE SOUTH IT GOES WAY OVER IN THERE AND IT, IT WOULD CLEAN OUT. AND IN A SENSE HERE AT HONEA HEIGHTS, THE SANDERS BRIDGE DOES SOME WHAT THE SAME THING. AND THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT I THINK COULD BE DONE AND I'M SURE THERE'S (INAUDIBLE) BECAUSE THERE'S VERY LITTLE GROWTH OR ANIMAL LIFE IN THAT PART OF THE THING. BUT YOU KNOW IF YOU CAN'T EVEN CLEAN UNDER A BRIDGE, BUT THAT BRIDGE DOWN THERE, NOW THEY SPENT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COST TO PUT THAT NETTING IN ACROSS THE THING. BUT THE ROAD NEEDS TO BE LOWERED THERE (INAUDIBLE) OR THE BRIDGE WIDENED. OR YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUSH WATER ALL OVER THROUGH BERRY ACRES (INAUDIBLE) TAKE IT OUT, IT'S JUST A LITTLE THING. SANDERS ROAD IS THE SAME SITUATION. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING DONE AND HOPEFULLY WHEN YOU DO THAT PHASE INCLUDE THAT BRIDGE OR WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS NOT GOING TO FULLY DO IT. BUT I WORKED WITH MR. HUCKLEBERRY AND MR. MOORE BEFORE AND I FOUND THEM VERY COOPERATIVE AND I THANK THEM AND I'LL GUARANTEE YOU IF THEY CAN GET THIS THING, IF WE GET PERMISSION WE CAN GET THAT CLEANED OUT, IT'LL MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT WHOLE AREA THERE. THEY HAVE DONE SOME BANK PROTECTION DOWN IN THAT AREA WHICH WE HAVE APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. MAYOR HONEA: MR. STUBBS., MR. (INAUDIBLE) WILL BE NEXT. MR. BOB STUBBS: I'VE BEEN WORKING WIN TRYING TO GET BANK PROTECTION SINCE 1986. A GROUP OF LAND OWNERS WHICH I REPRESENTED HIRED A LOBBYIST FOR THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO THROUGH THEIR EFFORTS WE RECEIVED A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE MARANA BANK PROTECTION, THAT'S AN APPROPRIATION, PART OF WHICH HAS BEEN SPENT BY THE COUNTY IN THE DESIGN OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. WE ALSO SPENT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY IN HYDROLOGISTS AND MET PROBABLY THIRTY TIMES WITH THE WITH THE BUREAUS HYDROLOGIST IN PHOENIX THERE. THEIR MAIN PITCH WAS WHEN WE DESIGNED THE CAP WE DESIGNED IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN THE WAY IT WAS AT THAT TIME. AND WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THE FACT THAT IT ACTUALLY FLOODED (INAUDIBLE) ALMOST FOUR TIMES AS MUCH WASTER IN IT AS AS THE WAY THAT WE DESIGNED IT. WELL THEN WHAT HAPPENED IS WE TOOK THE GROUP UP TO (INAUDIBLE) CITY AND MADE AN ABOUT AN HOUR AND HALF PRESENTATION TO THE HEAD PEOPLE THERE. AND ULTIMATELY NOT ONLY THROUGH OUR EFFORTS BUT THE COUNTY WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL WE SECURED A $2.6 MILLION GRANT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHICH $2.5 MILLION IS TO REMAIN THE OTHER APPROXIMATE FIGURE IS THE AMOUNT THAT THE CENTRAL ARIZONA PROJECT IS GOING TO USE TO PROTECT IT'S (INAUDIBLE). OUR PITCH TO THEM WAS THE WAY YOU DESIGNED YOUR SIPHONS TWO THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPENS. YOUR GOING TO (INAUDIBLE) DOWN STREAM OR UPSTREAM AND YOUR GOING TO STAND THE LOSS OF THE SIPHONS, IT'S GOING TO BE DEVASTATING AS FAR AS THE CAP IS CONCERNED. SO I'VE BEEN EVERY BTF AS FRUSTRATED AS YOU, I'VE PROBABLY SPENT OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS OVER $2,000.00 WORKING ON THIS. I THINK WE'VE COME TO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF A PASS THAT I'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE AND I HATE TO SAY THAT I'M REALLY OPTIMISTIC AND LET ME TELL YOU WHY I THINK I'M OPTIMISTIC. ONE WHEN THE COUNTY WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNING THE BANK PROTECTION SEVERAL YEARS AGO THEY GOT AN APPROPRIATION FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION FROM THE STATE, THE AVRA VALLEY BRIDGE. WELL THAT MADE IT NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE DESIGN BECAUSE THE BRIDGE WAS GOING TO TOTALLY CHANGE THE IMPACT. AS A RESULT OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BRIDGE THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE THE CROSS SECTION OF THE BANK PROTECTION SMALLER AND TAKE LESS PROPERTY. AFTER TALKING TO MR. HUCKLEBERRY AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY I FEEL THAT THEIR REALLY COMMITTED TO THIS AND I THINK THAT WHAT MR. HUCKLEBERRY REALLY IS SAYING IS THAT WE'D LIKE SOME AT LEAST TOKEN, SOME EFFORT ON THE PART THAT WHEN PROPERTY IS ULTIMATELY 1S DEVELOPED THE DEVELOPER COMES IN MAYBE PART OF THAT MONEY CAN BE PAID. WE SPENT OVER $140,000.00 1N DOING THE THINGS THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT. WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS NOT SO MUCH GETTING CREDIT FOR WHAT WE DID BUT WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS LETTING THE TOWN OF MARANA GET THE CREDIT AND EVERYBODY GET THE BANK PROTECTION. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE PEOPLE BANK PROTECTED TO (INAUDIBLE) BANK PROTECTION MIGHT OF NOT OF DONE AS MUCH AS WE HAVE. BUT WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN IS GETTING THE BANK PROTECTION. AND AFTER TALKING WITH MR. HUCKLEBERRY 1 THINK WE STAND TO A REAL OPPORTUNITY. I KIND OF HAVE THE FEELING THAT WE COULD EXPECT THAT BANK PROTECTION TO START SOMETIME IN APRIL OF 97. AND ONCE THAT IS DONE IT'S GOING TO TOTALLY TRANSFORM THE FACE OF MARANA. AS MAYOR HONEA SAID IF (INAUDIBLE). THIS IS, AND THE IDEA IS THAT WHEN THEY CONSTRUCT THE BRIDGE THEY GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE BANK PROTECTION, BECAUSE IT KIND OF CAUSED AND CHANGE THE FLOW AND RESTRICT THE FLOW, YOU'RE GOING TO (INAUDIBLE). WHAT I'D LIKE US TO DO AND I TOLD CHUCK IS IF HE NEEDS HELP WITH ANYTHING, I'D DO ANYTHING TO MY FARM, THE SAME THING WITH DEWEY. I THINK THAT WE ALL OUGHT TO GET TOGETHER AND, I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING. AND MR. HUCKLEBERRY THINKS HE WILL BE ABLE TO WORK OUT A POLICY WHERE THE COUNTY, CAN BORROW MONEY AND BE ABLE TO REPAY AND CONSTRUCT THE ENTIRE BANK PROTECTION ALL THE WAY UP TO SANDERS ROAD WHICH I FEEL IS TERRIFIC. WE'D BE TAKEN OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN BY PHASE lA BUT I'D MUCH PREFER TO HAVE BOTH PHASES DONE AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S A LOT BETTER FOR THE TOWN OF MARANA. AND THAT'S GOING TO TOTALLY CHANGE THE GRID PATTERN. WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS DEVELOPING FARM LAND THAT HAS NONE OF THE PROBLEMS AS FAR AS RETURNING OF THE DESERT. TH1S IS AN IDEAL SITUATION MARANA IS GETTING INTO THE WATER BUSINESS AND IT WILL HAVE WATER IN THE AREA. WE GOT A SEWER (INAUDIBLE) SOLVE THAT. SO I, I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC AND I FEEL THAT BEST THAT I'VE FELT EVER. OF COURSE THINGS CAN CHANGE BUT I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN'T POSSIBLY LET PASS BY. THANK YOU. ALLEN GEYER: MR. MAYOR I DIDN'T COME HERE JUST FOR (INAUDIBLE), GOD KNOWS, MY NAME'S ALLEN GEYER. AND 1 WOULD LIKE TO ASK THEM RIGHT NOW SOUTHERN ARIZONA PAVING HAS A CONTRACT FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD AND FLOOD DAMAGE FOR P/MA COUNTY. PRIOR TO THAT IT WAS FRW AND UNDER YOUR FLOOD PLAIN AND YOUR ROAD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM YOU DID EXACTLY WHAT THE MAYOR ASKED ON THE SAN PEDRO RIVER. YOU HAD (INAUDIBLE) SAN PEDRO RIVER, FROM THE COUNTY LINE AND CLEANED UP THE BOTTOM OF IT, PUSHED THE SILT OVER TO THE SIDE AND DON'T BE CONFUSED ABOUT IT MAYOR CAUSE, I MEAN TALK TO MR. (INAUDIBLE) I WAS IN YOUR OFFICE ABOUT IT. I RAN THE THREE BULL DOZERS THAT WERE IN THE BOTTOM OF THE SAN PEDRO RIVER. I RAN THE END DUMPS THAT HAULED THE ROCK TO SAVE THE BRIDGE DOWN THERE. I WAS THE ONLY CONTRACTOR OUT, YOU HAD ONE INSPECTOR COME BY ONCE A DAY. WE WORKED FORTY HOURS A DAY, WE DID THE ENTIRE RIVER FOR A GREAT DEAL LESS MONEY THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR (INAUDIBLE). I MET OUT THERE WITH YOUR CORE OF ENGINEERS, I SPENT ALMOST SEVEN MONTHS ON IT FIGURING OUT HOW TO DESIGN AND THE GUYS CAME DOWN AND MET ME DOWN THERE FROM PHOENIX. SORRY I'M KIND OF NERVOUS I (INAUDIBLE) IN PUBLIC. THEY WALKED UP AND DOWN THE RIVER AND LIKE I TOLD THEM I WAS BORN IN ARIZONA I'VE LIVED IN THE STATE MY WHOLE LIFE, SIXTY THREE YEARS. THEY WALKED THE SAN PEDRO RIVER THEY CAME BACK AND THEY SAID WE'RE NOT SURE HOW TO GET TO THE BOTTOM AND I SAID THIS RIVER IS RUN YEAR ROUND IT'[S ENTIRE LIFE. PUT A DOZER DOWN THERE YOU PUSH THE SAND TO THE SIDE TILL THE WATER FLOWS AND YOU FIND WATER AND THERE IS THE WATER TABLE. AND THAT'S ALL WE DID. FRW WAS THE CONTRACTOR ON THIS, I WAS THE SUBCONTRACTOR ON IT. I HAD THREE DOZERS IN THE RIVER ON THE SAN PEDRO RIVER. (INAUDIBLE), 19 ALLEN GEYER: I KNOW, I'M SAYING RIGHT HERE THAT WE ONLY DID THE PART THAT'S EMPTY (INAUDIBLE). YOUR INSPECTOR CAME IN FROM THE BOTTOM (INAUDIBLE) AND CAME UP THAT WAY. AND THEN IF YOU REMEMBER YOU HAD SOME MORE PROBLEMS AND WE WENT DOWN THERE ON THAT HILL THAT YOU GOT, (INAUDIBLE) COUNTY LAND. AND WE DUG OUT THERE, FROM THE SIDE OF THAT MOUNTAIN TO DO THAT RIVER. AND THIS PIECE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, THESE COULD BE DONE WITH DOZERS AND ALL THAT DIRT TAKEN OUT OF THE MIDDLE AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR DIKE (INAUDIBLE) CHANGING YOUR DIKE. WE'RE DOING ANYTHING WITH THE DIKE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR PERMIT FOR. ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TAKING THE SILT, THE DIRT, THE TRASH OUT OF THE BOTTOM AND RIVER AND PUSH IT OVER TO THE EXISTING BANK. AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT IT CAN BE DONE FOR (INAUDIBLE) LESS THAN $800,000.00. MAYOR HONEA: THANK YOU MR. GEYER. ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR. MOORE. ED MOORE: YES SIR. MAYOR HONEA: YOU VOTED TWICE TO LOWER THE TAX LEVY. ED MOORE: ABSOLUTELY. MAYOR HONEA: AND YOUR DISTRICT IS 1N DIRE NEED OF BANK PROTECTION, WHY. ED MOORE: BECAUSE WE CAN ACCOMPLISH IT WITHOUT THE TAX LEVY BEING AS HIGH AS IT WAS, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE. MAYOR HONEA: HOW COME IT WASN'T ACCOMPLISHED EIGHT OR TEN YEARS AGO. ED MOORE: WELL YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER, THE THING, 1S THIS THE SECOND LARGEST FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT EVER DONE IN PIMA COUNTY. IT'S, WHEN YOU ADD THE RECREATIONAL ELEMENTS IT'S A $20 MILLION PROJECT. IT'S, IT TAKES A WHILE TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TOGETHER. PARTICULARLY DESPITE THE LOSS OF HUMAN LIFE EVERYBODY IN THE TUCSON COMMUNITY LOOKS AT THIS AS AN AREA THAT'S RURAL THAT, WHY SHOULD THE MONEY BE SPENT HERE. THEY'RE UNAWARE OF THE LIABILITIES THAT (INAUDIBLE) URBAN COMMUNITY WHEN THEY CREATE THE FLOODING THAT CAUSES (INAUDIBLE). BUT IT'S BEEN A, IT'S BEEN A MAJOR FIGHT TO GET EVERYTHING DONE. IT, IT'S JUST ABOUT THERE NOW. NOW WE NEED HELP FROM THE TOWN OF MARANA, YOU GUYS HAVE TO GET OFF YOUR DUFFS AND GET THOSE EASEMENTS FOR US SO YOU CAN BLAME US THEN IF YOU'VE ACQUIRED THE EASEMENTS AND THE PROJECT DOESN'T GET DONE. NOW ANOTHER ISSUE, I THINK THAT DID YOU RECEIVE A LETTER ASKING THAT YOU AT LEAST GO ALONG WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS UN REGARD TO A (INAUDIBLE) STORAGE ISSUE. HURVIE DAVIS: WE HAVE NOT MR. MOORE TO MY KNOWLEDGE. ED MOORE: OK. OK., 1 THOUGHT IT WAS MAILED BUT IF IT WASN'T YOU WILL BE GETTING THAT. THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY AND THIS TIES IN WITH EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE WATER IN THE RIVER COMES FROM THE TWO SEWER PLANTS OPERATED BY PIMA COUNTY. THE INSTANT THE WATER LEAVES THE PIPELINES AT THE SEWER PLANT IT BELONGS TO THE CITY OF TUCSON. 90% OF THE EFFLUENT IS BASED ON A 1979 AGREEMENT, UNDER AN IGA WHERE THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY TOOK OVER THE SEWER PLANT THAT THE CITY OPERATED, THE ROGER ROAD SEWER PLANT. 90% OF THE EFFLUENT BELONGS TO THE CITY OF TUCSON. THEY HAVE EXCHANGED OR GIVEN THAT TO THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR, THE BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS. AT THIS POINT IN TIME THE COUNTY IS ANALYZING AND HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR SOME TIME AT BREAKING THAT 1979 AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE TO THROW 60 MILLION GALLONS OF EFFLUENT AWAY DOWN THE RIVER ON EACH DAY. IT'S ENOUGH TO WATER 120 DESERT GOLF COURSES. THE PROBLEM THE COUNTY HAS HAD IS WITH THE CITY OF TUCSON OWNERSHIP OF THE EFFLUENT THERE IS NO CONTROL OF THE WATER ONCE IT LEAVES THE PIPELINE. THE PROPOSAL THAT WILL COME TO YOU, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO SUGGEST TO BOTH THE CENTRAL ARIZONA WATER 20 CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND THE BUREAU OF RECLAMATION THAT THEY CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE TERMINAL STORAGE. A FACILITY, AND THAT WOULD START PERHAPS AT THE ORANGE GROVE 1-10 INTERSECTION WITH THE TANNER PIT WHICH APPARENTLY COULD HOLD A NUMBER OF THOUSAND ACRE FEET OF, OF CAP WATER IF 1N FACT WE NEED ABOVE GROUND STORAGE. AND IF THIS WERE DONE CORRECTLY A PIPELINE COULD BE BUILT FROM THE AQUA DUCT PERHAPS THROUGH RATTLESNAKE PASS AND DOWN TO THE ORANGE GROVE LOCATION. PERHAPS OTHER LOCATIONS ALONG THE WAY COULD BE USED IN AS DID SOME CALIFORNIA COUNTIES, PARTICULARLY WITH THE SANTA ANA RIVER. THERE'S A NUMBER OF LAKES WHERE PEOPLE FISH TODAY. DEAL WITH GRAVEL CONTRACTORS, ALLOW THEM TO TAKE THE GRAVEL OUT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND CREATE THE LAKES AT LITTLE COST TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A SUPPLY OF CAP WATER FROM THE AQUA DUCT TO ORANGE GROVE AND TO OTHER LOCATIONS BETWEEN THE ORANGE GROVE I40 SITE AND THE AQUA DUCT TO STORE ABOVE GROUND CAP WATER. PERHAPS WHEN WE DUG SUCH A DITCH TO BUILD SUCH A PIPELINE, ANOTHER PIPELINE COULD BE PUT IN AT VERY LITTLE COST AND USED TO CORRAL THE EFFLUENT AND BRING IT BACK DOWN HERE BY GRAVITY FLOW. OR PERHAPS USED IN FARM FIELDS FOR OTHER WET LAND PROJECTS, FOR SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE COUNTY IS NOW ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN. LAST WEEK THE COUNTY UNANIMOUSLY AGREED TO BUY OTHER STATE LAND FOR THE, FOR THE PILOT PROJECT SITE FOR A RECHARGE FACILITY ON THE WEST BANK OF THE SANTA CRUZ. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP WHERE WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT WHEN THIS RESOLUTION, IT'S ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REACHES YOU I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD ALSO PASS IT UNANIMOUSLY. I WOULD HOPE THAT ORO VALLEY PASSES IT, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE AVRA VALLEY WATER CO- OP, METRO WATER SOME OF THE OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE IN THE WATER BUSINESS OR EFFECTED BY DOWN STREAM PROBLEMS WITH THE EFFLUENT THAT KEEPS COMING DOWN THE RIVER, WOULD ALSO GET INVOLVED AND HELP US SOLVE THE EFFLUENT PROBLEM. BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT AS A COUNTY WITHOUT GOING TO COURT AND ALL THE THINGS THAT COME UP WITH THAT. I THINK IF THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE SAYS GUYS WE DON'T WANT THE TERMINAL STORAGE OUT OF THE VALENCIA WASH AREA BECAUSE TO GET THE FREE FEDERAL $65 MILLION BUCKS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND $105 MILLION LOCALLY FIRST. AND WHEN YOU START FIGURING OUT THE PAY BACKS BY ALL THE TAX PAYERS IN PIMA COUNTY, AND THEN THE PAY BACKS BY 80% OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE SERVED CITY WATER, YOU'RE DEALING WITH SEVERAL 100 MILLIONS OF POWERS, MINIMUM. SO ONE WE NEED YOUR HELP IN REGARD TO THE EASEMENTS, PUT US ON THE SPOT, GET EM AND SAY GUYS HERE IT IS GO DO IT. NUMBER TWO WE NEED YOUR HELP IN DEALING WITH THE STATE AND TO ACT ON BEHAVE OF ALL THE WATER USERS 1N PIMA COUNTY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF TUCSON TO SAY THERE ARE PERHAPS OTHER (INAUDIELE) WAYS TO BUILD TERMINAL STORAGE BY USING EXISTING FACILITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DUG AS A START. AND THAT'S A CHEAPER WAY TO DO IT AND, BECAUSE THAT ALSO PERHAPS ANSWERS THE EFFLUENT PROBLEM. AND NUMBER THREE IN REGARD TO BULL DOZERS AND USE OF BULL DOZERS IN THE RIVER, WE CAN'T GET IT DONE (INAUDIBLE). MAYOR HONEA: I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. I BELIEVE THE FIGURE FOR THE 90, OR THE 83 FLOOD, THE MONEYS THAT CAME INTO THE AREA WAS $91 MILLION. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE THIS MONEY WAS SPENT. I MEAN I REALIZE EVEN $91 MILLION OVER PIMA COUNTY IS A LARGE SPREAD BUT WE DIDN'T SEE VERY MUCH OF IT HERE. WE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS. ED MOORE: 1 THINK MR. HUCKLEBERRY HAS SOME FIGURES ON THAT. AGAIN THIS (INAUDIBLE). CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: YEAH IT (INAUDIBLE) $91 MILLION, $6~ MILLION. AND ALL OF IT WAS SPENT BASICALLY IF YOU RECALL PRIMARY THEORY OF DAILY SHED IN THE OCTOBER 83 FLOOD IT WAS CLEARLY WIDE SPREAD THROUGHOUT ALL OF PIMA COUNTY RANGING FROM GREEN VALLEY IN THE SOUTH TO MARANA ON THE NORTH, THE RILLITO AND ALL THE TRIBUTARIES. AT ONE POINT IN TIME THERE WERE ONLY I THINK FOUR BRIDGES OUT OF ABOUT 34 REGIONAL BRIDGES THAT WERE OPENED TO TRAFFIC. NOW MOST OF THE MONEY, $64 MILLION WENT INTO BRIDGE REPLACEMENT AND REPAIR. IF WE GO BACK AND HISTORICALLY LOOK AT FLOOD DAMAGE IN PIMA COUNTY THE GREATEST LOSS OF LIFE OCCURRED IN A SINGLE PERIOD OF TIME IN I979 WHERE 9 PEOPLE DIED IN PIMA COUNTY IN A SPAN OF ABOUT TWO MONTHS, ALL OF THEM DRIVING INTO FLOODED WASHES OR (INAUDIBLE). WE HAVE A COMPLETE LIST, A COMPUTER MAP LIST OF EVERY PROJECT AND EVERY DOLLAR THAT WS SPENT, AND IT'S NOT UPDATED SINCE 1994- 95. AND IT CERTAINLY IS AVAILABLE AND I BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S BEEN SPENT IN THIS YEAR, EITHER BRIDGE REPAIR AND OR REINFORCEMENT IS IN THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WE CAN CERTAINLY GIVE YOU AN ITEMIZED LIST. DAN HOCHULI: MR. MAYOR. PERHAPS THE MAYOR COULD ASK FOR A MORE CLEAN DEFINITION OF WHAT THOSE DOCUMENTS WERE SO I COULD REQUEST THOSE. IT WAS REFERRED TO AS A MAP AND THEN ALSO A LIST. MAYOR HONEA: WHERE SHOULD WE GET THESE OR WHO WOULD WE APPLY TO. ED MOORE: WE HAVE THEM, WE'LL SEND THEM TO YOU, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM YOU DON'T NEED A SUBPOENA. DAN HOCIaqYLI: I'M MAKING A LIST, ED MOORE: THAT'S GOOD. DAVE ATLER: MY DEPARTMENTS BEEN WORKING WITH FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT IN PIMA COUNTY FOR (INAUDIBLE). (INAUDIBLE) A NUMBER OF NUMBERS, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE MAP YET, WE'RE STILL (INAUDIBLE). MAYOR HONEA: MR. DAVIS. HURVIE DAVIS: MR. MAYOR I HAVE A QUESTION, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND CHUCK WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO THE BOARD WOULD BE THE, THE SECOND FUNNY SCENARIO THERE. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: (INAUDIBLE) YEAH. HURVIE DAVIS: SECOND, YEAH. THE, THROUGH THE MUNICIPAL PROPERTY CORPORATION. AND THAT WOULD BE THE COUNTY. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: YES. (INAUDIBLE) LEASE PURCHASE OR CERTIFICATES OF PARTICIPATION, ANY SHORT TERM 35 YEAR BORROWING SCENARIO. HURVIE DAVIS: COUNCIL'S PLEASURE YOU KNOW WE WILL, IF MR. MOORE FEELS IT IS CRITICAL TO GO OUT AND, FEELS IT'S CRITICAL TO GO OUT KNOW AND PROCEED TO GET THOSE EASEMENTS AND RIGHT OF WAYS AND 1F COUNCIL SO DIRECTS WE'LL BE GLAD TO PROCEED IN THAT DIRECTION. MAYOR HONEA: MR. GROSECLOSE DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT. DAN GROSECLOSE: DAN GROSECLOSE, 14200 WEST IMOGENE PLACE. MY WIFE AND 1 BOUGHT OUR HOUSE WHICH IS IN BERRY ACRES IN 1977. AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME THAT HOUSE WAS NOT IN THE FLOOD WAY, WAS NOT IN THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN, WAS NOT IN ANY FLOOD PLAIN. SINCE, SINCE 1992 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NOW (INAUDIBLE) THAT IT'S NOT IN THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN BUT IN THE FLOOD WAY. AND, AND THE ONE THING THAT DISTURBED ME TONIGHT IN THIS PARTICULAR MEETING IS THAT MR. MOORE COMES DOWN HERE AND STARTS TALKING TO US ABOUT STORING WATER IN THE RIVER WHEN ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE AT THAT POINT IN TIME IS, IS CHANNELING THAT WATER FASTER TOWARDS US. NOW HE'S SAYING HEY WE WANT YOU, WE WANT MARANA TO HELP US STORE THAT WATER SO WE CAN USE IT 1N PIMA COUNTY AND THE CITY OF TUCSON. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PHASE 1 AND lA, THAT STILL DOESN'T HELP MY PROPERTY. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT A LOT MORE WATER IN THAT RIVER AND STORE IT. SO WHEN IT (INAUDIBLE) FLOWS IT'S GOING TO BREAK OUT AND FLOOD ME THAT MUCH MORE. I CAN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC OF THAT. UNLESS PIMA COUNTY IS WILLLNG TO HELP US RESOLVE OUR PROBLEM DOWN HERE I CAN'T SEE US GOING TO FAR THE OTHER WAY TO HELP THEM SOLVE THEIR WATER PROBLEMS. INAUDIBLE. DAN GROSECLOSE: SIR THOSE, THOSE PLANTS DOWN THERE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE IN THE FLOOD WAY. INAUDIBLE. MAYOR HONEA: OK. LET'S KEEP THE CONVERSATION, ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS OR STAFF MEMBERS OR ANY ONE FROM THE AUDIENCE HAVE ANY, MR. ATLER. DAVE ATLER: I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE QUICK THING I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE NOW SEVEN AND A HALF MONTHS. I FEEL LIKE I'M A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. I TALK TO ORA ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT AND I'M GETTING VERY FRUSTRATED WITH IT. I DO WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT MEMBER'S OF MR. PAEZ'S DEPARTMENT IN 93 AND I BELIEVE BACK IN 83 WHENEVER WE'VE HAD FLOODING PROBLEMS DOWN HERE THEY COME OUT AND STAY OUT ALL NIGHT LONG AND HELP BUILD SAND BAGS AND HAVE THE EQUIPMENT OUT. AND, THEY ARE HELPING IN OTHER AREAS, JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. MAYOR HONEA: ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS. COUNCIL MEMBER HARN. ORA HARN: MR. MAYOR I WANT TO SAY TWO THINGS. FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO CORRECT MR. MOORE IN THE FACT THAT MARANA HAS NOT SAT ON IT'S DUFF. MAYOR HONEA: I TOOK EXCEPTION TO THAT REMARK MYSELF, BUT I DECIDED TO LET IT GO. ORA HARN: THE SECOND ISSUE I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP IS YOU KNOW OUR MISSION HERE IN MARANA. IT'S NOT TO BE CANTANKEROUS OR ARGUMENTATIVE, THAT IS NOT WHAT ANY OF US WANT. WE WOULD LIKE TO RESOLVE THIS AND IF PIMA COUNTY WANTS TO WORK WITH US WE WANT TO WORK. WE NEED THE BANK PROTECTION AND WE WANT TO BE HELPFUL. IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE THAT, WE WOULDN'T BE OFFERING ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS AND HELP AND AND RESOURCES WHERE EVER WE COULD. SO IF WE, IF THEY HAVE COME HERE TONIGHT WITH HONEST NEGOTIATIONS AND AND SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE CAN RESOLVE THIS ISSUE MR. MAYOR I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO APPOINT A COMMITTEE TO START WORKING WITH THEM AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO LET'S DO IT. MAYOR HONEA: I AGREE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL MEMBER HARN, FORMER MAYOR HARN. SHE DIDN'T SIT ON HER DUFF SHE WENT OUT AND GOT ALL OF THOSE LAND OWNERS TO AGREE TO BASICALLY TO DEED THE LAND OVER OR THE EASEMENTS FOR NOTHING. SHE ALSO WENT TO PORTLAND CEMENT AND GOT AN AGREEMENT FROM THEM TO SELL US CEMENT AT COST. SHE ALSO WENT TO A COUPLE OF THE LARGE SAND AND GRAVEL OPERATIONS 1N THE AREA AND GOT THEM TO AGREE TO GIVE US SAND AND GRAVEL AT COST. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE OUT HERE MR. MOORE. ESPECIALLY BY FORMER MAYOR HARN, LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF WORK. AND LOTS OF HOURS AND LOTS OF MONEY SPENT AND LOTS OF TIME SPENT ON THIS THING. AND I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA. ED MOORE: I ALSO AM FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WE HAVE TRIED TO PUSH THIS PROJECT THROUGH AND WHAT I, I KNOW SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS PERHAPS THE MAYOR I MAY HAVE TAKEN SOME LIBERTIES WHEN I STUCK A NEEDLE IN ORA. CAUSE I'M FULLY AWARE OF HOW MUCH TIME AND EFFORT SHE'S PUT IN ON THIS. BUT I'M VERY SERIOUS, WE NEED YOUR HELP AND YOU NEED TO OUT THESE THINGS IN WRITING SO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO USE. MAYOR HONEA: COUNCILMAN SUTTON. BOBBY SUTTON, JR.: MR. MAYOR BEING A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER THE I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THIS ISSUE BUT WHAT I DO REMEMBER AND 1M SURE MR. MOORE REMEMBERS QUITE VIVIDLY FROM THE CROW THAT WE HAD. I WAS A MEMBER WITH THE CITLZENS THAT NIGHT AND THERE WAS A SIGN UP ON THE WALL WE WANTED FLOOD PROTECTION. AND 1F YOU REMEMBER IT WAS KIND OF A HOSTILE CROW AND HE EVEN TRIED TO EXIT THROUGH THE JUDGE'S CHAMBER. I WOULD PROBABLY DO THE SAME THING. BUT IT, I APPRECIATE, IT SOUNDS LIKE AS (INAUDIBLE) GOING ON HERE AND THIS THING IS GOING TO GET MOVING. BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU JUST SAID THE, THE SITUATION GET OFF YOUR DUFFS AND I KNOW WE NEED TO WE NEED TO STAND BEHIND YOU. IF WE WENT TO THE TAPE OF THAT MEETING, THOSE WERE YOUR EXACT WORDS. CAUSE I'VE ONLY BEEN, I WASN'T EVEN ON THE COUNCIL THEN BUT IT, I 23 ALREADY HEAR THE SAME THING AND THIS IS MY FIRST YEAR ON THE COUNCIL. IT JUST, IT STRUCK ME AS STRANGE, WE'LL GIVE YOU THE SUPPORT WE'LL DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO ON THIS END. AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT SO I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE, JUST SOUNDS A LITTLE FAMILIAR BUT WE'LL GO OUT AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. MAYOR HONEA: COUNCILMAN CLARK. TOM CLARK: MR. MAYOR. SUPERVISOR MOORE MR. HUCKLEBERRY ONE, WHAT MR. DESPAIN MENTIONED ABOUT MAYBE JUST HAVING A CRAWLER DOWN HERE WORKING AROUND THE HONEA HEIGHTS AREA, WORKING AROUND THE BERRY ACRES AREA WHERE THE TWO BRIDGES ARE. EVEN IF IT'S ONLY SUPERFICIAL IT MIGHT ALLEVIATE THE SOME OF THE PEOPLES WORRIES THAT LIVE IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE DIRECTLY EFFECTED BY BY THE FLOODING. AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD GET STARTED THIS SUMMER. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU MR. DESPAIN CAN SOME HOW COME UP WITH THE FUEL BETWEEN THE FARMERS AND SOME OF THE OTHER ADJOINING LAND OWNERS AND PROBABLY A DRIVER OR TWO. AND WE COULD GET SOMETHING STARTED THAT MIGHT ALLEVIATE THE FRUSTRATIONS THAT A LOT OF US CITIZENS ARE FEELING. DAN GROSECLOSE: ONE LAST COMMENT. I THINK IF YOU ACCEPTED MRS. HARN'S RECOMMENDATION, APPOINTED A SUBCOMMITTEE MAYBE WE COULD KEEP IN CLOSER CONTACT SO A LOT OF THE FACTS ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BETTER THAN THEY HAVE IN THE PAST. BECAUSE I, I THINK THE CRAWLER IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE. AND THE, I THINK IT ADMINISTRATIVELY CAN BE WORKED WITH MR. DAVIS AND I WILL CERTAINLY WORK ON THAT. IF I HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD WE'LL DO IT. WHAT EVER HELP YOU NEED YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BUT GET A COMMITTEE AND PUT ME ON THE HOT SEAT. SO IF I SAY IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN THEN I'M AT FAULT, OK. MAYOR HONEA: MR. PAEZ. MR. PAEZ: MR. MAYOR COUNCIL, I JUST WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS REGARDING THE 404 THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR TO DO EXCAVATION. WE ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW WITH THE CORP OF ENGINEERS FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY THROUGHOUT ALL THE SANTA CRUZ RIVER, THROUGHOUT PIMA COUNTY. AND GETTING A 404 PERMIT FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD TYPE OF THING SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY JUST GO OUT AND DO OUR MAINTENANCE. BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY 1 DON'T JUST HAVE THIS AREA HERE THAT I HAVE TO BE TAKING CARE OF AS FAR AS THE SANTA CRUZ RIVER. I HAVE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PAST GREEN VALLEY. SO WE ARE, HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CORP. AND THERE'S A STUDY THAT'S ON GOING AND POSSIBLY SOME OF YOUR OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO PROGRAM FUNDING FOR THAT PURPOSE. AND HAVE BEEN ACTUALLY FRUSTRATED WITH THE 404 PROCESS CAUSE THE THE FEDERAL AGENCIES ARE GETTING TOUGHER AND TOUGHER WITH US AS FAR AS ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO WITH THE WASHES. WE'VE BEEN TRYING IN SOME OTHER AREAS AND THEY HAVE ALMOST TOLD US ABSOLUTELY WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET YOU DO THIS AND DO THAT. AND SO IT IS NOT AN EASY TASK BUT WE WILL DO ALL WE CAN TO EXPEDITE THIS ONE HERE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME I'D JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE WORKING ON ONE FOR ALL OF THE SANTA CRUZ, 404 PERMIT. MAYOR HONEA: THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER HARN. ORA HARN: MR, MAYOR JUST I THINK I AGREE WITH MR. DESPAIN. IF I WOULD HAVE HAD A LITTLE MORE GUTS UNDER THE, AFTER THE 1993 FLOOD AND I SUGGESTED THAT WE GET IN THE RIVER AND, AND CLEAN, (INAUDIBLE) FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT WE NEED TO CLEAN OUT THAT RIVER. I STILL THINK THAT THE MAYOR COULD, COULD DECLARE AN EMERGENCY FOR HIS CITY AND AS HEALTH AND SAFETY HAZARD. AND YOU KNOW I THINK WE JUST PUT OUT (INAUDIBLE) IF THE FEDS WANT TO COME IN AND SUE US, GO TO COURT. I'LL TELL YOU THE TIME'S COME FOR US TO BE SERIOUS AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN JEOPARDY IN THIS COMMUNITY, THEIR LIVES AND THEIR PROPERTY. AND I THINK WE NEED TO, WE'RE GOING TO GET A STIFF UPPER LIP AROUND HERE AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THE COUNTY OR THE FEDS PUSH US AROUND. 1 THINK WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 24 MAYOR HONEA: ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS. IF NOT MR. MOORE I, I WILL APPOINT A COMMITTEE. WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT OUR LAST MEETING, THERE WILL BE SOME CITIZENS, MR. ESCOBEDO WANTS TO SERVE ON THAT COMMITTEE, HE'S HAD SOME PROBLEMS. SEVERAL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE VOICED AN INTEREST AND WE'LL HAVE SOME MEMBERS FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT LIST WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE TO (INAUDIBLE) IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. PAEZ AND MR. HUCKLEBERRY AND, AND SUPERVISOR MOORE FOR COMING. IF WE APPEAR TO BE HOSTILE WE ARE. AND IF WE APPEAR TO BE ON THE LAST STRENGTH OF THE ROPE WE ARE. AND 1 AM PREPARED TO DO ANYTHING EVEN 1F IT'S TAKES EXPENDING THE TOWN'S MONEY TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE, THAT MEANS GOING AFTER LEGAL ASPECTS. WE WANT THIS PROJECT, WE WILL WORK WITH YOU AND WE HAVE WORKED WITH YOU AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO. AND HOPEFULLY THIS PROJECT WILL NOT BE PUT OFF FOR THE FIFTEENTH TIME IN 97. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING. CHUCK HUCKLEBERRY: JUST ONE COMMENT, I THINK BASICALLY WE'VE HEARD THE STAFF'S PRESENTATION WITH REGARDS TO WHAT WE INTEND TO DO. I THINK YOU MUST UNDERSTAND (INAUDIBLE) WITH STAFF. WHAT YOU DO STAFF DOESN'T VOTE, BASICALLY TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD AND REQUIRES YOU KNOW THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SO AS LONG AS YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE COULD BE HERE THIS TIME NEXT YEAR IN THE SAME POSITION WHERE WE ARE. SO WHAT WE'RE STATING TO YOU IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION NOT A DECISION. MAYOR HONEA: WE'LL GIVE MR. MOORE THE LAST COMMENT THEN WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. ED MOORE: THANK YOU AGAIN. THE POINT I WAS MAKING IN REGARDS TO THE EASEMENTS OTHER THINGS, HAVING ALL OF THIS 1N WRITING IS IT MAKES IT MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO SELL ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD POLITICALLY TWO BOARD MEMBERS WHO (INAUDIBLE) DISTRICTS ARE IN TOWN IN THE CITY OF TUCSON, OFTEN HAVE TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THE NEED FOR FLOOD CONTROL MONEY WHICH IS ALSO PAID BY ALL THE CITY RESIDENTS BEING SPENT IN MARANA. SO YOU'LL HELP ME A LOT OF YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS DOWN SO THAT WE CAN SHOW (INAUDIBLE) THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE HERE, IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER TO GET THE VOTES IN. ORA HAS A BIG INFLUENCE ON SOME OF THOSE BOARD MEMBERS SO. I, I THINK WE'RE THERE, I'M QUITE SURE THE BOARD IS SUPPORTIVE. IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER IF WE HAVE ALL THE STUFF. THAN YOU. MAYOR HONEA: THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR COMING OUT. F. Discussion and Direction - Zip Code changes for Continental Ranch and Cortaro Postal Code Areas. Hurvie Davis: Some of the businesses in Marana have some opposition to this item because of the impact and advert/sing costs and things of that nature. Sharon Price: A lot of people who didn't fiH out the forms but made comments in fact that they purchased their homes in Tucson and they would not have purchased their home if they knew they were living in Marana. She has tried to politely explain to them the benefits of living in Marana, but some of them don't hear. There is a lot more opposition then she expected on this, she is very surprised. If we can put together a campaign that's very positive, showing what the benefits would be. Ora Ham: These people certainly knew that they were moving into Marana. Sharon Price: The reason that they did not understand that was the fact that everything that they get aH the way through the process says Tucson. They don't handle the permits, the builders do. They go down to the title company and it states Tucson, not Marana. Bobby Sutton, Jr.: He wasn't aware when he was looking for a house in the area where exactly Marana was. The Realtors stated that the houses he was looking at were located in Tucson. Mayor Ifonea: Do we need to take some sort of action on this issue. Sharon Price: At this point she doesn't think there is any action that needs to be taken on this tonight. She would like some direction to try and come up with a plan that is positive to 25 everyone in the Community. It's going to be a long while before we get aH Marana addresses changed from Tucson to Marana. Mayor Honea: We would really like to get the home owners in the Town addressed as Marana. Businesses could end up keeping their Tucson address. Ora Ham: If people want to have Tucson addresses let them move into Tucson, this is Marana. We also need to be telling the people who are building in the Community that they are located in Marana. Mayor Hence: We need to continue to positively support this issue. Hurvie Davis: He will look further into this issue. Sharon Price: She doesn't think the builders are ashamed of being in Marana. Sherry Millner: She would be happy to go around to the sale offices in Continental Ranch and remind them of the fact that these homes are located in Marana. G. P/ma Association of Governments Regional Council Meeting - Review for discussion and direction. Ora Ham: Mr. Davis has instruction from Council Member Ham on the A~enda for tomorrow's meeting dealing with HURF funding. Hurv/e Davis: We have an/ndleation that the may be indicating tomorrow a diminishing role in the metropolitan areas, primarily Phoen/x and Tucson. If that takes place we want to encourage them to take a more active role as opposed to a decreased role. He asked Council Member Ham if that is the case if she would take the lead on that. Ora Ham: We would l/kc to encourage an ADOT member on the PAG Regional Council, this might be the seed to do that. Mayor Hence: He would strongly support that issue. If we are successful in getting an ADOT member on the Council for transportation issues it could be advantageous to our future as Hurvie Davis: Item #15 on the Agenda, Annexation Information. PAG Staff is indicating that they will be tracking annexations, it's going to be interesting to see if everyone reports their H. Mayor's Report Mayor Honea: Several of us met last Tuesday evening with a group of home owners from Orange Grove Mob/le Estates. It started offa little rocky, but the majority of the crowd was in favor of the annexation. By the time the meeting was over everyone was real cordial. He met with Mike Curtis last week trying to narrow down the differences on purchasing their water distribution system. We are getting pretty close to an agreement. I. Manager's Report Hut'vie Davle: The Chip Seal Program is well under way. He was on vacation the last two weeks, he had nothing further to report. X. FUTURE AGENDAITEMS XI. ADJOURNMENT A motion was made by Ora Ham, seconded by Bobby Sutton, Jr. and carried unanimously to adjourn. TIME: 11:18 p.m.. AUDIO TAPE~ OF THE MEETING ARE AVAILABLE AT THE MARACA TOWN HALL CLERK'S OFFICE. CERTIFICATION I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are the true and correct minutes of the Regular Council Meeting of the Marana Town Council held on May 21, 1~9§. I further certify that a quorum was present.