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HomeMy WebLinkAbout03/21/1995 Joint with Pima County Board of SupervisorsPLACE: PIMA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS 110 W. Congress, 1st Floor Tucson, AZ 85701 DATE: March 21, 1995 TIME: 2:00 P.M. I. CALL TO ORDER By Chairman Paul Marsh ~. ROLLCALL A. MARANA TOWN COUNCIL Ora Ham Mayor Sharon Price Vice Mayor Tom Clark Council Member Ed Honea Council Member Betty Horrigan Council Member Herb Kai Council Member I lelen Key Council Member, excused Staff: Hurvie Davis Town Manager Sandra L. Groseclose Town Clerk Dan Hochuli Town Attorney Brad DeSpain Water Advisor Joe Lizardi Town Engineer Hugh Holub Water Counsel B. PIMA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS Paul Marsh Ed Moore Chairman, District 4 Supervisor, District 3 Members of the Public. IlL ORDER OF BUSINESS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS Presentation by the Town of Marana concerning FLOOD CONTROL issues. Discussion/Direction to Staff by the Pima County Board of Supervisors and Town of Marana. Mayor Harn: Thanked the Board of Supervisors for the privilege of speaking to the Pima County Board of Supervisors regarding bank protection problems in the Town of Marana. Introduced guest speakers for today's meeting. Sherry Millner - newly elected member to the Marana Town Council, Hurvie Davis - Town Manager, Sandy Groseclose - Town Clerk, Dan Hochuli - Town Attorney, Brad DeSpain ~ Water Consultant. A number of other guests are also in the audience because of their great concern on this issue. Many office people you will hear today are experts in the field of bank protection. Mayor I lam discussed her real concerns, the health and welfare of thc people who live in thc Community. The time period of the 1983 flood, it ,,vas her responsibility to work with people who had debilitating problems. One particular client she had at that time was an elderly lady, who lived alone in Rillito. She had very few family ties, but several animals that were her "family". During the flood she was very concerned about here animals. As the waters became higher and higher and she knew she had to leave, she didn't want to leave without her "friends", so she took them with her. She had to cross a barbed wire fence, going under the flood waters with her animals, making several trips back to retrieve them ali, because they meant so much to her. Because she had to go under the flood water many times, she had severe infections in her eyes, ears, throat and she was desperately ill. Her home was destroyed and she couldn't get back to get all her animals, so many were lost in the flood. We're concerned about economic development and the destruction that comes to the companies that are devastated by the waters. We want to develop the Community. But the real concern is for the people of Marana, their health and welfare. Ask Pima County when listening to the presentation today, don't just think about property values and development. But think about the people who are waiting for this devastation to happen again. Mayor had a map handed out to the Supervisors and people in the audience. The map shows how many washes and rivers flow into the Lower Santa Cruz River. The Marana community is the gathering area for many streams, tributaries and all that flow into the Lower Santa Cruz. As those areas urbanize and bank protection begins, Marana is a prime candidate again to receive large flood waters. The flows have increased from 1915 when a major flow was 9,000 CFS, until 1983 over 65,000 CFS. What will happen to Marana if there is no bank protection in the area. Introduced Steve Tineo, Flood Control Engineer for Pinal County, who was asked by Marana to sit in today. Marana feels that whatever is done to the Lower Santa Cruz will effect Pinal County as well. Thanked tbe Board and turned presentation over to Brad DeSpain. Brad DeSpain: Told the Board he appreciated this meeting being arranged. The first individual to speak is Tom Clark, President of Cortaro Water User's Association. Tom Clark: Passed out pictures of the Santa Cruz River. His family has been in Marana for five generations. Mr. Clark has lived along the Santa Cruz all his life. The river is not the way it existed many years ago. In 1983, a terrible flood, with 65,000 CFS, the highest recorded flood before that in 1940 was 25,000 CFS. About three weeks ago, a small flood, about 8,000 CFS, almost took out the abutments of the Sanders Road bridge and it did take out the abutments of the Trico bridge. Effluent has been running down the Santa Cruz for 25 years. The trees grow and the trash piles up against the trees and sand. And the level of the Santa Cruz has raised probably ten feet in the last 25 years. There is no channel anymore, these trees are in the middle of the channel. The water takes the path of least resistance and goes to one side or the other, and the river is meandering all over. In 1983, Cortaro Water User's Association paid a little over a half a million dollars to repair the irrigation system. Personally cost him $80.000 to repair the damage to his farm. Started then to try and get flood control and have been working at it since, it is a never ending proposition. Initiated to get money from the Federal government when the CAP was put in. The CAP restricted the over flow channel of the Santa Cruz basin. Were successful in getting $3.5 million appropriated, since then they have decided to use about $I million of that, so we have about $2 million there. Went to the State and got $1.5 million and there are people who are willing to donate the right of way. People who are willing to donate materials to help with the levee. We have had this money appropriated at it has been there but the Town keeps getting put offyear after year. Thinks it is time to start using this money were it was meant to be used. With the appropriations that Marana has, we can fund almost half the project of Phase lA. In 1983 the Landfill was one of the main problems, it is built right on the over banks of the Santa Cruz river and it divided the water in half~ llalf to Marana and half down the Santa Cruz. The main reason for this problem is the congestion in the River, the urbanization up stream of tke Pantano, RiIlito and tbe Canada Del Oro. If we had a 30,000 CFS right now, is not sure what would happen. We would probably have water in the Town of Marana. It's about time we got off first base and got the money going where it should go. Thanked the Board. Bard DeSpain: Stated he would like to hold any questions until the end. The next speaker is Dan Post, member of the Marana Unified School District Board of Education for over 14 years. He will address the flood control in his area and thc effect on the schools. Dan Post: Not sure who the Town is trying to convince today. Can't believe that the Marana Town Council is for this. Mr. Moore has been out to the Council and is a supporter of this problem. Not sure whether Mr. Marsh has been out there or not or where his position is. Mr. Boyd has been out and said that he understands the problem. Mr. Huckleberry, not sure whether he has been convinced or not. The Town has been dealing with him for 15 or 20 years and he did not do anything for us when he was in Flood Control. We have to convince somebody who can take some action. The real reference of time is pre-effluent. Prior to that, owners along the river would do annual or semi-annual maintenance of the river channel. And the remainder of the year it would stay dry and then when the floods came, they would flush out the channel and go on down. Every couple of years the owners along the river would go in and clean it up and things were fine. Since the effluent has been in we have had severe problems. Would like to change directions and not go over the same problems. Would like to refer to a problem that has a school reference. When the Marana School District built Mountain View High School, there was a wash that came through the property. So we did bank protection since there was buildings on both sides of it, poured a floor in the bottom. After this was done, we got a visit from Pima County saying that we had severely impacted their property being Arthur Pack Golf Course, and we would have to build a dissipater at the edge of the property before that water could pass on to the Arthur Pack Golf Course. Because we had increased the volume and velocity of the water as it passed through our property. The engineers felt that we had done some damage and that it was our responsibility to take care of it. They were appropriate to do this and it was done. As Pima County bank protects all over the County, from east through the Town and different drainage's are bank protected and soil cemented and parking lots and roads are paved. The entire County now has impacted those of us in the Northwest. They have not provided any dissipaters, as they themselves have felt the need for when their own property was impacted. We feel this is unfair, the County knows this situation exists because they recognized it when it impacted their property. Now the entire County impacts the Marana area and nothing in relation to what good judgment calls for has been suggested. It may be that Marana is the dissipater for Pinal County, so that the water can slow down and spread out before it passes into Pinal County. If this is the case, then there would be no incentive for the County to do anything because Marana is acting as the County dissipater, and doing a good job of it. We have sacrificed a lot of land and property values to slow that water down before it reaches Pinal County. Mr. Huckleberry told Marana many years ago that there was not enough property value in the Town to justify any kind of an expense there. We feel this is an unfair evaluation of the situation. How mush properW value do we have to have before we get our funds that we have paid in to lhe Flood Control District to serve our needs. We feel it is time tbr those funds to come back to the Town. It is time for our interests to be protected. Some solutions for the short term are to do the channelization and get the water flowing. And do maintenance, on going maintenance, this was the key pre-effluent. There has been no maintenance by the County or the Flood Control District in this channel, with the exception of a few projects to do some bank and emergency work. There is no program for on going maintenance that the Town has seen or can see in the River. The long term solution is for the County to begin a program of basin retention and dissipaters throughout the drainage from Catalina and east in the Rincons, throughout the entire drainage area. Enough water passes through our Town in a years time that is wasted and goes on to serve all of the water needs, if it was retained and controlled. That may not be practical to retain all of it, but if we could, we would not have a groundwater problem. That would solve many problems by retention. We need to look at some if these long term solutions, in the short term we need to do some maintenance. We may not have the property value that the rest of the County does, but you can't use us any longer for the dumping ground of your work. Brad DeSpain: Introduced Joe Parson, who owns the Tucson Livestock Auction, which is moving to Marana. He will speaking on the prospective of a new business person ia Marana. Joe Parson: Would like to expand on what Mayor Harn said. His real number one concern would be public safety. In 1983, Mr. Parson was a professional rodeo cowboy. In October of 1983 he was in Dallas, Texas watching the evening news, and Marana was featured. It showed a dairy in the Town, where the cows were being flooded. They also showed National Guard trucks picking people up in Marana and leaving Town. Whan a helicopter had an aerial view, it showed Mr. Parson's family property. He tried to call home and could not get in touch with anybody, and experienced much fear. He took an emergency flight home and stayed in a motel, he could not get to his property for 4-5 days. He lost several cows and had some horses that were also crippled. About three years ago he researched several counties in regards to livestock auctions. The only place a livestock auction business in Pima County is on "CI2" zoning. Some area people instructed him to come to Marana, the Town didn't have a livestock auction. Mr. Parson met with the Town Council and Planning and Zoning, he found a piece of property he wanted ta buy. He went through the process to build the livestock auction in Marana. There are also other businesses that will be joining him. Thought lhe rezoning process and other area were taken care of, until he went to go get the loan. Submitted to five different places, four said absolutely not, because we were in a certain zone where a loan of that size for business could not be loaned in a flood plain. The fifth said yes, with the exception of the flood insurance. Instead of going through financing, we have built from the ground up with the help of the Town Engineer and are where we need to be. We are spending our own money and will not get to the Town as quick as Mr. Parson would like to. The other allied industries will have to wait, because nobody wants to loan money to the business in Marana. Until we can get the flood control and the lenders will turn the money lose, we have the equity and the land, but we are in the flood zone. Brad DeSpain: The next speaker is Mr. Art Campbell, a Rillito resident. Art Campbell: He is here because of past problems. He did not want to be left out, he is an area resident. Mr. Campbell is a properW owner and pays taxes. He was here when there was just a small two lane highway in Rillito, and the water went any where it wanted to. It's not like that no more. When the water gets in the area now, there is no channel and it doesn't take very long before it over rides the banks and goes where it wants to. He lived in Rillito in 1983, he had friends who he was very concerned with. He got his family out and his son helped get some of their family friends to safety. Thinks the County should look to the Community as their neighbor. We need help, and when it rains people are not satisfied. Wants everyone to know that Rillito is there and hopes that thc County doesn't forget that. Brad DeSpain: Mentioned that Rillito is not within Marana town boundaries. Rillito is the responsibility of Pima County, which he is sure the Board of Supervisors is aware o£ The next presenter is Councilwoman Betty Horrigan, she will speak on the DeAnza Trail/Linear Park and the Flood Control Levee. Betty Horrigan: Gave a presentation on Juan Bautitsa de Anza. In 1990 the United States Congress acknowledged the trail that was taken by DeAnza and adopted the trail as a National I listoric Trail. The objective is to open the trail to the public, following the original trail as close as possible. The trail and campsites have been identified, it is hoped the trail can be used for hiking, biking, horseback riding and camping. It is all in the planning stages, the trail travels through Pima County along the Santa Cruz river. Marana has approximately 15 miles of the trail in Town boundaries. Images walking aIong the trail as it was in 1775, many areas of Marana are still nature and beautiful. Would like to maintain this atmosphere in the form of a linear park. The benefits to the Town and Pima County are extensive, preservation of natural beauty, animal habitat and plant life. Educationally and culturally it would bca major benefit. As a recreational area many would e[joy it. It would be open to all the public and would atiract tourists to the area as well. it would help to generate income for businesses as well as the County and the Town. What we need to get this going is to get the levee through. We need the County to complete the project as soon as possible. Brad DeSpain: The next speaker is Jack Neubeck, on behalf of Bob Stubbs. He will speak on the technical and financial portions of the presentation. Jack Neubeek: He moved to Pima County from metropolitan New York area in June of 1986. It was shortly after that he became acquainted with the Town of Marana. He loves the Town's common sense approach to things and it is very refreshing to see people who put personal safety and values above politics. Also it was shortly there after that he became involved with the bank protection. He also owns properly and a business in the Town. His business is located in Continental Ranch which is outside of the flood plain. Business would develop if there was bank protection in place, there are only so many places to go without fearing losing your business. Read a letter from Mr. Bob Stubbs into the record addressed to the Mayor and Council of the Town of Marana and the Pima County Board of Supervisors. Mayor Ham: Stated she would like to make sure that this letter is entered to record for Pima County. Ed Moore: Confirmed that anything that is in writing, tha~ the Clerk gets a copy of becomes part of the record. Jack Neubeck: Have the estimated cost of doing thc bank protection, Phase IA~ which is Pima County's estimate of $10.6 million. Wanted to add that the cost was not $10.6 million when tbe project was started. As the funds are acquired, they have not taken advantage of the funds. In the years when the building boom had diminished, a lot of this could have been done at less cost. Went over the in kind contributions, materials and property, the Town has been instrumental in acquiring. One mason there has been delays and diversions of money for this project am the lack of property values in the Marana area. The only way to remedy this problem is to have buildable areas, it would also be good for Pima County, they would get the money back I 0 fold because the Town does not have a property tax. As the increased tax base occurs, Pima County would be the recipient. Also Pima County would be the recipient of businesses which would generate income as well. Another obstacle has always been participation from the affected property owners, if the in kind contributions is no indication of the effort of the Town and the proper~ owners, does not know what is. As the bank protection is put in other parts of Marana, besides Continental Ranch will begin to develop. Unfortunately because there are not a lot of voters out there, when someone else is inconvenience, those moneys are taken away from Marana. The bottom line is it is know time to do the right thing. The Town has suffered and the economic benefits to the County are innumerable, if the project goes through. By all means do the right thing. Brad DeSpain: Brought to the Board's attention a letter from Mamie Kal, would like that also entered into record. Summarized the presentation. Stated that the Town is here today feeIing a lot like a teenage son or daughter, who's parents are not communicating with them about their problems. Hopes that the County is now listening to the story being told today. The Santa Cruz river is compared to a large diameter sewer line, a regional interceptor. The PinaI County line is a part of that interceptor that has been plugged. The water has to raise an average of about 6 feet, where there has been no maintenance at ail. It has broke out the dike below Gary Road. There is a problem, increased velocity was has been eluded to here today on a flow rate and an amount increased greatly, it comes faster. We also have a solution today. Credits Hurvie Davis, Town Manager, he has a sign in his office on his wall, which says don't bring me problems, just bring me solutions. The solution to the problem is to clean it out. Get Pinal County to commit to help and get it done. There is I 1/2 miles to clean down stream of the Pinal County line. We would have an interceptor line that would be unplugged. We need the bank protection phase I from Continental Ranch, where the bank protection now ends to the Tangerine Landfill. We need the Ina Road bridge protected. We need improvement between the Cortaro Road bridge and the Ina Road bridge and also need to Cortaro Road bridge approach protected. We do not need the wait, we need to get the new Avra Valley bridge put in, not now or as soon as possible but by 1995, we need to start construction. Maintenance below the Landfill to thc Pinal County line could be maintained fairly simply. The County has a CAT, the County used to take care of the approaches to the bridge and there wasn't near as much trouble as now. Also need to look to phase B, the Replenishment Project which is now being discussed. With this there should be ample improvement and material available along with the linear park. The levee is a positive thing and there is funds available from the I leritage Fund for the DeAnza Trail. From those that have turned out today, hopes the Board realizes that it is of great concern and importance to the Community. Would like to suggest that we try to set a completion schedule. That the design should be completed by July of 1995, that bids and commencement of construction by June of 1996. Total completion of the project could be completed by July of 1999, J¥om the end of the Continental Ranch bank protection to the Pinal County line. Them is one other challenge that the Town would like to present, that is that thc Pima County Board of Supervisors agrees to send a representative with the Town of Marana to go and talk with the Pinal County Board of Supervisors to seek their cooperation and support. Would like to thank the Board for having the Town in and the time that was given for this presentation. Opened the floor for questions. Chuck Huckleberry: Is not sure what can be done here because of the lack of a quorum. Can answer questions but that is about it. Ed Moore: The Board cannot take action, but would like to have some of the concerns and scheduling issues addressed. Feels that the City of Tucson should also be present at the meeting. The sewage that goes down the river everyday, 55 million gallons a day, they own. If that sewage were not going down the river, it would not be filling the river, creating the type of growth that is there that spreads the waters. If the recharge initiative that is going forward in the City is successful, there is a good chance that the effluent will be picked up and used just as is done in counties in California. Controlling and using this resoume instead of throwing it away, which is also causing most of the flooding problems. Because of bank protection throughout the City, the water gets to the Community a lot foster. And when there is no place for it to go because of what the City is purling in the river everyday, it makes it much more difficult. Chuck Huckleberry: Gave an update as far as County Staff. The budget process and the FIood Control District Levee, where it goes this year, next and the year afl.er. This project for just Phase lA has a construction cost, even with donated materials and reduced contributions and the like, is still $7.5 million, that is about 28 cents of the levee if it is built in one year. It is essential to have the ability to fund it in its cash flow requirements, as far as construction. It is not a simple project, but once it starts it can basically be done in about a year. We have funds programmed over the next couple years. The heavy allocation that the Board wiII be asked for in capital will come probably this fiscal year and perhaps next fiscal year. It is important to understand that the ability to construct this will compete with other projects that are ongoing. We have three major capital projects that are essential to the District, the Arroyo Chico, the completion of the Rillito and this project. When you talk about competing projects, this is one of the top projects for the District. One area Staff is concerned with is that the pieces arc together and do retain the right-of-ways free and that the mitigation requirements with regard to the DeAnza Trail are in kind contributions that perhaps Marana can commit to. The other issue of caution is this is just Phase IA, if we were to accept the schedule of 1999 to get to the County line, doesn't think anybody has costed that particular project out. It would probably be in the $25 million range, at least it was in 1990 dollars. It could be higher or lower, depending upon what is contributed and whether right-of-ways continue to be granted free. But it is a significant commitment that needs to have some type of consistent funding sources available. All that Staff can add is that this is a top priority project, something that they have been working on and designing and trying to integrate. It will require a commitment from the Board of Directors of the Flood Control District, with regard to the tax rate. Ed Moore: At one point ever land owner between La Canada and Orange Grove/Thornydale Intersection with the exception of the church on La Canada, agreed to give land for nothing to Pima County for the right-of-way for River Road. The County in 1982 would not accept the gift. of the land. Because the County would not accept it, the County has since paid millions of dollars for right-of-way for River Road extension. Is the County in a position now to accept through the Flood Control District, easements and right-of-ways for this prqject so that we can eliminate that as a cost issue for the future. That is the biggest single forward step that can be made. Chuck Huckleberry: Will accept any deed and take it over and record it, will aIso pay the recording fees. The problem with the River Road dedications is that sometimes those dedications are contingent. Ed Moore: What would it take to get the legal descriptions of the land necessary. Mayor Ham: The County was willing to put together the easements for these properties and went with the County to the different owners of the property and discussed it with them. They were left with the easements to show where the bank protection was going to be and what the easements entailed and so forth. The County drew up the original documents. Ed Moore: Feels it would make sense to make that the major project, to get the land in possession of government, so the project can commence. Hurvie Davis: With the anticipated construction of the Avra Valley Road bridge, all the legal descriptions were drawn up by Pima County. All the land owners agreed to donating the easement as long as they were all basically treated the same. With the Avra Valley Road bridge design, it required a redesign of the levee, and those new legal descriptions are being drawn up at this time. Talked with County staff this morning and they not quite complete. Once it is completed, Staff can go back out and meet with thc property owners involved. Carl Winters: Represents several of the property owners that would be donating these easements. Two things he wanted to mention. First there has never been a strong commitment by Pima County to do the work. Asking property owners to give Pima County property for something that has not been strongly committed to and has not been funded, is very difficult. They would be happy to give the land if they really knew Pima County was serious. The property owners he represented would be willing to deed the Town of Marana the property and if and when Pima County is ready to do the work, that Marana work out an IGA with the County. Secondly, Mr. Winters is disappointed that some members of the Board weren't here. Paul Marsh: Stated that the reason two Supervisors are here is the fact that both of us have distinct flood problems that need to be addressed. Not sure the others have. Ed Moore: Suggested possibly vesting for two years with a reversionary clause to put Pima County under the gun. A portion of the Flood Control Project would be repaid by landowners, subject to Pima County actually doing the work. Carl Winter: Thinks that may be acceptable. The reason it was mentioned that it would be probable to deed to the Town of Marana is that up untiI know every time Marana has lobbied for funds, the money has gone to the County and the County has used it tbr something. To make sure Marmm get credit, it would be preferable to give it to Marana, and give the Town some leverage. Paul Marsh: Feels it is a good idea, because of the results so far. Brad DeSpain: Referred to Mr. Paez's letter addressed to Mr. Chuck Huckleberry. Page 3, Table one shows a projected construction cost. It also shows a completion of Phase 1 through Phase 3 at $25 million. Feels estimates have been made, it kind of goes along with what Mr. Winters is discussing, where is the interest for that money that the Town of Marana and the Community has helped pull together that the County has sat on. Maybe there is another figure to start talking about. Hurvie Davis: What Mr. DeSpain is referring to is the attachment to the Board of Suparvisors memorandum dated August 7, 1990, Comprehensive Multi-purpose Marana FIood Control Project. Brad DeSpain: Never once has Mr. DeSpain had to go and ask for an easement or a right-of-way, that has it been refused. If the County really wants to belly up and put up, then the Town will come up. Feels the Town half has been done. The time has come to quit hunting for excuses. The County has the Town's money and the Town has gotten nothing. Paul Marsh: The answer the this whole project, is the dollars. It appears there are some dollars already. Can make a change on the tax levee. Grants are probably available and the Carp. of Engineers are wilIiug to assist. Also the in kind contributions. At this point in time, need to get all the entities that are involved, Tucson, Marana, Pima County and ?inal County, work together to build the fund quicker. Get this project offthe ground relatively soon. Ed Moore: Asked Mr. Huckleberry if the County has the State appropriation for $1.5 million. Chuck Huckleberry: What ever State appropriations have been made basically are still available, yes. Ed Moore: Do we have $2.5 million from the CAP. Chuck Huckleberry: We have whatever the CAP will allow us to use. Ed Moore: So that is $4 million in cash. Is he correcting in stating that the Town is providing $3.7 million, does that do the first phase. Brad DeSpain: Believes it will fall a little short. Thinks it will go a long ways. The Avra Valley Road bridge, will be state financed as he understands it. Chock Huckleberry: $1.25 million has been appropriated for Avra Valley Road bridge replacement. Ed Moore: That is State funding that is in addition to the moneys being looked at here. Chuck Huckleberry: This is.just levee money, not bridge money. Looking at reduced if they have all the contributions, which if you put all the contributions on that side. And assume that the Bureau of Reclamation will come across with $2.5 million without any consideration and the State will too. Of the contributions are correct, you still need $3.5-4 million for direct construction, the way he looks at the numbers. Ed Moore: The Board cannot take action with only two people here. Would Marana be better off if Pima County Flood Control District turned over the $4 milIion to the Town. It looks like the Town has a $3 miIIion lower construction cost, at least on estimates than the Flood Control District has come up with. Would that be the best way to handle this. Chuck Huckleberry: The issue is how to make up the difference. That difference is going to fail somewhere between probably the 7.6 and 10.6, Pima County estimate, not assuming and discounts or contributions. The other is the contributions that have been assumed, estimated either by County Staff or Town Staff. Paul Marsh: Understanding it to be $4 million short. Chuck Huckleberry: Could be three or four, who knows when the bidding starts. Right now to go out and bid this type of project, someone will come up with $4 million at least. If we bump the levee over and above what it is this year., at .46 cents. How much we don't know, it's a debate. It depends upon how quickly this can actually get built or whether it drags out over two fiscal years. Paul Marsh: If the levee rate was brought back to .54 it started out with a couple years ago, any idea what that would bring it back in. Chuck Huckleberry: Stated that every penny on the levee gives $250,000. So four cents gives a $I million, eight cents, $2 million. Paul Marsh: We could recover under that circumstance a couple million dollars. We are still short two. Chuck Huckleberry: Actually we're programming next year's budget. It is stretched out over three fiscal years, which is a long stretch. But it's trying to look at reality, which is the Boards desire to keep the tax rate revel or lower. And the ability to meet the demands. The demands on big projects in the Flood Control District are top priorities. The Rillito is just about done. Ed Moore: Will that free up some up front money. Chuck Huckleberry: It may do some good. Have been looking at some numbers. Thinks $1 million has been found. The Federal government is changing the rules of the game, regarding reimbursement ratios. Taking the 75/25 and reversing it. Ed Moore: As an individual Supervisor would like to ask Mr. Huckleberry to direct Staff to coordinate with Mr. Davis and come up with a calendar of when things are going to take place. How soon Marana can get title to land. Is in agreement with putting it in Maraoa's name so they are in control of the issue. Chuck Huckleberry: Doesn't feel Staff needs to be directed. It is a priority project, the Staff has those directions anyway. They will proceed in that area. $25 million is only Phase 1, also need to worry about Phase 2 and Phase 3, a~d where the money will come from. Brad DeSpain: Stated the Hugh Holub has worked hard on a Fair Share Ordinance. Feels the Town has come up with everything the County has asked them to come up with. Hugh Holub: Part of the debate has been the local share. There is already a lot of local share on the table, with free right-of-way. The Fair Share Ordinance was adopted a couple weeks ago. We can generate some type of participating fee, providing the Town gets credited for what it is doing. Personally likes the idea of having title in Town's name and doing an IGA. Wants credit for materials and services, so the Town gets recognition for it. Ed Moore: Does it make sense to put title and the $4 million in Marana's name and turn it over to the Town. Hugh Holub: Agrees with the title in the Town's name. And would like to see the money in an escrow account, to earn interest and so it can be spent. Would also like to get the State money as well. Is concerned with the changing rules at different levels of government. Chuck Huckleberry: That is what the State calls tax relief, when they take local money that is allocated for a specific prqject. Have had it occar a couple of times, but they will do whatever they can to obligate the moneys. Hugh Holub: Worries because he has seen money for flood control projects taken away by the State Legislature. Need to nail it down so we have an enforceable agreement with the other agencies involved. Brad DeSpain: It is his understanding that there is a time limit, and 1995 might be that time limit. Does anybody know. Brooks Keenan, Flood Control District: Yes there is an expiration date, thinks it is necessary to revise the IGA with the State to extend that date. He believes that is possible. Mayor Harn: Channel maintenance, would like to ask Mr. ltuckleberry where we standing in trying to get permission to do channel maintenance for the Santa Cruz. Chuck Huckleberry: Does not know, only knows that it will be more difficult with the listing now of the Pygmy Owl, possibly impossible. Brooks Keenan: ChanneI maintenance, in the design for the project, included is the excavation ora large pilot channel that would start at the end of the Phase 1 levee and go a couple miles through. Have included the description of this work in the application for a Section 404 permit. The permit has not yet been approved. Adjournment. AUDIO TAPES OF THE MEETING ARE AVAILABLE AT MARANA TOWN HALL CLERK'S OFFICE. CERTIFICATION I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are the true and correct minutes of the Special Joint Meeting of the Marana Town Council and the Pima County Board of Supervisors held on March 21, 1995. I further certify a quorum was present. :~q~A E - ~C/~/9~'TOwN CLERK